Karson Rippstein is a rancher from The Ripp Ranch in central Utah. His family's involvement in the industry dating back to the late 1800s. Karson has effectively combined traditional ranching methods with innovative practices, transforming undervalued plots of land into a thriving and sustainable cattle business. His journey is marked by resilience, creativity, and a commitment to sustainable grazing techniques, which have allowed his family's ranch to prosper even on less desirable land.
Topics covered in this episode:
- Family ranching and grazing land utilization
- Building a beef herd on undervalued land
- Expanding cattle ranching through the formation of an LLC
- Family communication and transparency in ranching
- Transitioning to low-input cattle ranching
- Challenges of public lands grazing and breeding
- Redmond's approach to mineral supplementation
- Nuances of mineral supplementation in cattle nutrition
- Recommended resources and tools for ranch management
Listeners should tune into this episode to gain valuable insights into modern cattle ranching and sustainable grazing practices. Karson Rippstein's story offers a unique blend of tradition and innovation, showcasing how resilience and strategic decision-making can lead to success in the cattle industry. Whether you're a seasoned rancher or new to the field, Karson's experiences and practical advice provide inspiration and guidance for anyone looking to improve their ranching operations. His focus on collaboration, efficient land use, and natural supplementation offers listeners a comprehensive understanding of the challenges and opportunities in modern ranching.
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Chapters
- (00:00) - Introduction to Ranching with Family
- (00:10) - Fast Five with Karson Rippstein
- (01:38) - Welcome to the Grazing Grass Podcast
- (03:04) - Electric Fence Challenges
- (06:24) - Karson's Ranching Journey
- (08:01) - Starting with Small Herds
- (23:38) - Forming the Family LLC
- (34:16) - Shifting to Low Input Cows
- (41:40) - Understanding Public Land Grazing
- (42:45) - Grazing on Public Land: Permits and Challenges
- (45:43) - Managing Cattle Breeding on Shared Grazing Lands
- (46:28) - Adapting Calving Seasons for Better Efficiency
- (51:34) - Innovative Grazing Practices and Virtual Fencing
- (52:52) - Extending Grazing Seasons for Profitability
- (54:31) - Introduction to Redmond Agriculture
- (56:47) - Redmond's Unique Mineral Products
- (01:00:46) - Philosophy on Mineral Supplementation
- (01:16:32) - Famous Four Questions
- (01:20:21) - Practical Tips for New Ranchers
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: On today's episode, we are talking about
00:00:02 --> 00:00:07 ranching with family as well as utilizing public grazing land,
00:00:07 --> 00:00:09 something I'm not super familiar with.
00:00:10 --> 00:00:12 Karson will get started with the fast five.
00:00:12 --> 00:00:15 Our first question, what's your name
00:00:15 --> 00:00:16 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Karson Rippstein,
00:00:17 --> 00:00:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: and what's your farm's name
00:00:19 --> 00:00:20 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: the Ripp Ranch
00:00:21 --> 00:00:22 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: and where are you located?
00:00:22 --> 00:00:24 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: in Central Utah.
00:00:24 --> 00:00:29 Act, the nearest town is Richfield, which no one knows where that is, so I want
00:00:29 --> 00:00:32 you to think of Utah as someone's torso.
00:00:32 --> 00:00:33 We're in the belly button.
00:00:33 --> 00:00:34 That's, that's where we're at.
00:00:34 --> 00:00:34 Right?
00:00:34 --> 00:00:35 In central of Utah.
00:00:36 --> 00:00:36 We're at
00:00:36 --> 00:00:37 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: belly button of
00:00:37 --> 00:00:38 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: button of Utah.
00:00:38 --> 00:00:38 Yep.
00:00:39 --> 00:00:42 Bet you haven't had someone describe where they're at with a belly button yet.
00:00:42 --> 00:00:43 Have you
00:00:43 --> 00:00:45 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: No, no, we haven't.
00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 That will definitely go up on the Hall of Fame or Wall of
00:00:48 --> 00:00:50 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: wall or shame one of the.
00:00:51 --> 00:00:55 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah, it just says Wall of Aim up there
00:00:55 --> 00:00:57 and you get to decide which way it goes.
00:00:57 --> 00:00:59 Yeah, that's a very good analogy.
00:00:59 --> 00:01:00 It's very visual.
00:01:00 --> 00:01:04 It helps us see where you are and what livestock species do you graze
00:01:04 --> 00:01:05 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Beef cows.
00:01:06 --> 00:01:08 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: and how long have you been grazing cows?
00:01:09 --> 00:01:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Oh, that's a hard question.
00:01:11 --> 00:01:15 My family's very generational ranch, probably less than late
00:01:15 --> 00:01:17 18 hundreds in central Utah.
00:01:17 --> 00:01:24 I would say me, I've ever since I was a kid, my grandpa's had had cows, I'd say
00:01:24 --> 00:01:29 me grazing cows in a more of a grazing sense than just taking 'em to the pasture.
00:01:30 --> 00:01:34 I'd say the last four years I've been doing stuff and it's ramped up since then.
00:01:36 --> 00:01:36 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Very good.
00:01:38 --> 00:01:39 Cal: Welcome to the grazing grass podcast.
00:01:40 --> 00:01:43 The podcast dedicated to sharing the stories of grass-based
00:01:43 --> 00:01:47 livestock producers, exploring regenerative practices that improve
00:01:47 --> 00:01:49 the land animals and our lives.
00:01:50 --> 00:01:54 I'm your host, Cal Hardage and each week we'll dive into the journeys,
00:01:54 --> 00:01:59 challenges, and successes of producers like you, learning from
00:01:59 --> 00:02:04 their experiences, and inspiring each other to grow, and graze better.
00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 Whether you're a seasoned grazier or just getting started.
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00:02:11 --> 00:02:13 Speaker 3: Calling all ranchers.
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00:03:05 --> 00:03:07 Speaker 2: For 10 seconds about the farm today we are going
00:03:07 --> 00:03:10 to focus on how smart I am.
00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 Oftentimes we talk about electric fence and I'm like,
00:03:14 --> 00:03:16 make sure you get it grounded.
00:03:17 --> 00:03:18 Really good.
00:03:19 --> 00:03:22 You know, what is that three foot of ground rod per Juul?
00:03:23 --> 00:03:26 Make sure you get that really done right and it'll make all
00:03:26 --> 00:03:27 the difference in the world.
00:03:29 --> 00:03:30 I had that part correct.
00:03:30 --> 00:03:32 Second part I didn't get.
00:03:33 --> 00:03:38 So I've been rotating the cattle through my dad's pasture and we
00:03:38 --> 00:03:39 have our cows combined right now.
00:03:40 --> 00:03:44 And as I've talked on the podcast, we have permanent paddocks on my dad's land.
00:03:45 --> 00:03:49 They're bigger than what they need to be, but I was rotating them quickly through
00:03:49 --> 00:03:55 that, and I wanted to do more, moved towards more ultra high density grazing.
00:03:56 --> 00:03:58 So I got an electric fence and I put it up.
00:04:00 --> 00:04:01 The cows went through the fence.
00:04:03 --> 00:04:05 Now granted they didn't try and come back through it.
00:04:05 --> 00:04:10 I had it running pretty hot, so maybe it made a difference.
00:04:10 --> 00:04:12 But what did I forget to do?
00:04:14 --> 00:04:18 Well, my cows are used to electric fence but I have them combined
00:04:18 --> 00:04:23 with my dad's cows who we don't use electric fence with very often.
00:04:24 --> 00:04:28 So I didn't train them to make sure.
00:04:29 --> 00:04:32 They were familiar with the fence and not going to bother it.
00:04:33 --> 00:04:37 So when you are doing your electric fence first, make sure you get it grounded good.
00:04:37 --> 00:04:39 So you have enough voltage going through it.
00:04:40 --> 00:04:43 But secondly, train your animals.
00:04:43 --> 00:04:46 So I've got 'em in a different pasture right now with the
00:04:46 --> 00:04:48 electric fence running through it.
00:04:48 --> 00:04:50 I don't really want 'em in that pasture right now.
00:04:52 --> 00:04:56 But that's where I am because I've gotta get 'em used to that electric fence,
00:04:56 --> 00:04:58 or at least dad's cows used to it.
00:04:58 --> 00:05:00 So I've got 'em in there.
00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 The sheep actually did really good and didn't even challenge
00:05:03 --> 00:05:04 the fence, so that was good.
00:05:05 --> 00:05:08 Second thing to show my intelligence.
00:05:08 --> 00:05:13 On Easter, we were having a family conversation about a 5K run.
00:05:14 --> 00:05:20 I will be the first to admit I'm outta shape, too old and don't.
00:05:21 --> 00:05:24 I think that's really something I wanna do.
00:05:24 --> 00:05:27 However, the family talked about it and I thought, I'm gonna do it.
00:05:27 --> 00:05:35 So I downloaded a couch to 5K app on my phone and I would just like to brag.
00:05:35 --> 00:05:43 I made it halfway through the first exercise, which for you all,
00:05:43 --> 00:05:46 in case you're wondering about it, if it was 28 minutes long.
00:05:46 --> 00:05:48 I made it halfway, about 14 minutes.
00:05:49 --> 00:05:52 You had five minutes of walking, followed by the minute of running.
00:05:52 --> 00:05:53 I thought I was dying.
00:05:54 --> 00:05:59 A minute and a half of walking, another minute of running each,
00:05:59 --> 00:06:02 each time, that minute of running came by, it got shorter for me.
00:06:02 --> 00:06:05 So it's a minute running, followed by a minute and a half of walking.
00:06:05 --> 00:06:09 I made it maybe 14 minutes.
00:06:09 --> 00:06:15 Um, I am outta shape, so just if you happen to drive by my
00:06:15 --> 00:06:16 house and you see me running.
00:06:16 --> 00:06:17 No, you didn't.
00:06:19 --> 00:06:20 Anyway, enough of that.
00:06:20 --> 00:06:22 Let's talk to Karson.
00:06:24 --> 00:06:26 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Karson, growing up, it sounds like you got
00:06:26 --> 00:06:28 to spend a lot of time around cows.
00:06:28 --> 00:06:30 Did you think that's a path you wanted to go?
00:06:31 --> 00:06:32 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yes.
00:06:32 --> 00:06:33 I never thought it was possible.
00:06:33 --> 00:06:36 So I, like I mentioned, both, both sides.
00:06:36 --> 00:06:39 My dad's side and my mom's side have ranches.
00:06:39 --> 00:06:39 Okay.
00:06:40 --> 00:06:44 But, you know, my uncle was on my mom's side and I had an uncle on my dad's
00:06:44 --> 00:06:49 side that lived on the ranches and took, so I just got to go visit the ranch.
00:06:49 --> 00:06:53 You know, on the weekends I live 45 minutes away, so I'd spent every
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 waking moment on my grandpa's ranch.
00:06:56 --> 00:07:01 Like I would, I would find my own rides on the weekend to my grandpa's place.
00:07:01 --> 00:07:02 45 minutes.
00:07:02 --> 00:07:06 I had a list of my mom's coworkers and stuff that would drive, I'd call 'em.
00:07:07 --> 00:07:09 So yeah, that was my dream.
00:07:09 --> 00:07:12 I was telling this to some people the other day.
00:07:12 --> 00:07:15 I thought I'd either be in the NBA or a rancher and.
00:07:15 --> 00:07:19 I thought that maybe an MBA would be a, I'd be a higher chance as I'd do that.
00:07:19 --> 00:07:19 That's how I,
00:07:20 --> 00:07:20 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:07:21 --> 00:07:22 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so it was a dream that I
00:07:22 --> 00:07:24 never thought would happen.
00:07:24 --> 00:07:25 If so,
00:07:26 --> 00:07:27 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Why did you think that?
00:07:27 --> 00:07:29 Why do you think this is not something I can
00:07:29 --> 00:07:29 do?
00:07:30 --> 00:07:31 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: you know, just you hear about
00:07:31 --> 00:07:35 it getting into agriculture, you know, if there's not any more land,
00:07:35 --> 00:07:35 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: There's not
00:07:36 --> 00:07:38 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: lots of opportunities coming up.
00:07:38 --> 00:07:43 And so where the family, you know, where the ranchers were gonna go, both sides.
00:07:43 --> 00:07:46 I just never thought I would get a chance to.
00:07:46 --> 00:07:51 So yeah, I just never thought I would, it was always a dream, a
00:07:51 --> 00:07:55 dream that I didn't hardly even chase because I thought, I don't think
00:07:55 --> 00:07:57 it'll happen till a little later on.
00:07:57 --> 00:07:58 So.
00:07:59 --> 00:08:01 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: What caused you to start chasing it?
00:08:01 --> 00:08:04 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Well, so I started working at, my
00:08:04 --> 00:08:09 dad was able to, oh, after I left high school, my dad was able to buy
00:08:09 --> 00:08:11 a little herd of cows, like 28 cows.
00:08:11 --> 00:08:11 Okay.
00:08:11 --> 00:08:13 And he ran 'em with my grandpa.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:16 My grandpa was nice enough to let 'em run these 28 cows with them.
00:08:17 --> 00:08:21 And so that kind of gave me a little hope, but I thought 28
00:08:21 --> 00:08:24 cows, that's hardly worth, you know, that's what my dad can do.
00:08:24 --> 00:08:26 He does it on the weekends and helps my grandpa.
00:08:27 --> 00:08:33 I started working at the co-op and that's when I realized, man, I love this stuff.
00:08:33 --> 00:08:34 I love livestock.
00:08:34 --> 00:08:36 I love agriculture.
00:08:36 --> 00:08:40 And so I just, that's when I kind of started, and then I was
00:08:40 --> 00:08:43 able to go, IWI bought five cows.
00:08:43 --> 00:08:46 I got, I got one of those first time farmer loans from
00:08:46 --> 00:08:48 FSA and I bought five cows.
00:08:48 --> 00:08:48 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:08:49 --> 00:08:51 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And I bought 'em in 2014, which is
00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 the best time to buy cows, you know?
00:08:53 --> 00:08:54 That was great.
00:08:54 --> 00:08:55 So I
00:08:55 --> 00:08:56 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right.
00:08:56 --> 00:08:56 Yeah.
00:08:56 --> 00:09:00 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I spent a lot of money and it was, it was a
00:09:00 --> 00:09:02 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: cattle prices were really good
00:09:02 --> 00:09:03 right through there.
00:09:03 --> 00:09:05 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: they were really bad to buy, but I,
00:09:06 --> 00:09:07 you could not have told me not to.
00:09:07 --> 00:09:11 'cause, you know, but luckily I had a job so I didn't lose, lose
00:09:11 --> 00:09:13 everything, but it had five cows.
00:09:13 --> 00:09:15 So that's kind of how I got started.
00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: And did you run those cows on your grandpa's place?
00:09:18 --> 00:09:19 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: No.
00:09:19 --> 00:09:23 At that point, right when that happened, my grandpa passed away
00:09:23 --> 00:09:28 and so my dad was able to, through a coworker of mine, buy a little pasture.
00:09:28 --> 00:09:33 And so we moved the cows over and then I had a person I go to church with.
00:09:33 --> 00:09:38 I asked them, they had a little five acre piece, and I said, can I buy some cows?
00:09:39 --> 00:09:40 And put 'em on your piece.
00:09:40 --> 00:09:41 And they said, sure.
00:09:41 --> 00:09:46 So my goal was I was gonna buy these like gum cows 'cause that's all I could get
00:09:46 --> 00:09:47 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And I was just gonna calve 'em out, flip
00:09:49 --> 00:09:52 'em, and yeah, that, that sounded great.
00:09:52 --> 00:09:55 But then the market kind of was kind of didn't, you know,
00:09:55 --> 00:09:56 I was not gonna hold any over.
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 It didn't go as planned, but that's kind of how I started, was a little
00:10:00 --> 00:10:02 five acre lease that had no water.
00:10:02 --> 00:10:04 So I had haul water in a tote
00:10:05 --> 00:10:05 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yes.
00:10:06 --> 00:10:07 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: If you were from Utah, that might
00:10:07 --> 00:10:11 make more sense in Oklahoma, but we had a haul water to it.
00:10:11 --> 00:10:13 So that's kind of how I started,
00:10:14 --> 00:10:16 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: There, there's plenty of places here that you would
00:10:16 --> 00:10:21 think would have water and it doesn't have year-round water or something,
00:10:21 --> 00:10:25 and hauling water's a great way to make you more observant about where water
00:10:26 --> 00:10:26 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yes it is.
00:10:27 --> 00:10:27 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:10:28 --> 00:10:28 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:10:29 --> 00:10:32 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Now, I, I hate to even ask this question because I know
00:10:32 --> 00:10:36 the, the answer on here, or at least the direction you went with this, but
00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 what kind of cows were you looking for?
00:10:38 --> 00:10:42 Did you have a certain type in mind at the time, or were you just buying
00:10:42 --> 00:10:42 what was going through his cell
00:10:43 --> 00:10:46 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Well, so at that time I, I was looking
00:10:46 --> 00:10:50 for the complete opposite of what I'm looking for now when I buy a cow.
00:10:50 --> 00:10:56 So my I would've said, my goal was to get us in our area what's
00:10:56 --> 00:10:57 really popular, SIM Angus.
00:10:57 --> 00:10:58 Right.
00:10:58 --> 00:10:59 That cross a cow,
00:10:59 --> 00:11:00 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:11:00 --> 00:11:01 I, I thought you were going that
00:11:01 --> 00:11:01 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: yeah.
00:11:01 --> 00:11:04 And you love cemental, so I have to kind of dish on it a
00:11:04 --> 00:11:04 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:11:05 --> 00:11:06 I, I do love
00:11:06 --> 00:11:06 CITAs.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:07 You're exactly right.
00:11:08 --> 00:11:10 I'm not fond of Angus, but I do love CITAs.
00:11:11 --> 00:11:13 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so I, that's why I gotta say it.
00:11:13 --> 00:11:15 But, so my goal was big.
00:11:15 --> 00:11:18 I wanted big cemental sim Angus cows
00:11:19 --> 00:11:19 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh,
00:11:19 --> 00:11:20 yeah.
00:11:20 --> 00:11:21 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: wean these big old calves.
00:11:21 --> 00:11:22 That was my goal.
00:11:23 --> 00:11:25 That is not my goal anymore, but that's what I was looking for.
00:11:26 --> 00:11:33 So, and then as I grew, I was literally just buying my dad works at the sale barn.
00:11:33 --> 00:11:34 He loads cap trucks there.
00:11:34 --> 00:11:36 He used to, he was law enforcement.
00:11:36 --> 00:11:40 And at nights the night af the night after the sale, he'd go load semis.
00:11:41 --> 00:11:45 So I just go to that auction and I'd sit there and usually my brother, he likes
00:11:45 --> 00:11:47 to sit at the auction more than me.
00:11:47 --> 00:11:49 He would buy whatever was cheap.
00:11:49 --> 00:11:54 So if you look at our herd, you know, I've got, and we can go into this later,
00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 I have a purebred registered Angus herd, but I also have a herd of cows
00:11:57 --> 00:11:59 that I have some yellow cows, some gray
00:11:59 --> 00:12:00 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Uh oh, yes.
00:12:01 --> 00:12:03 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: couple with a little tiger stripe, but
00:12:03 --> 00:12:05 not, you know, not a lot of ear on them.
00:12:05 --> 00:12:07 But I just bought whatever I could get for cheap.
00:12:08 --> 00:12:09 'cause I was trying to grow and
00:12:10 --> 00:12:10 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right.
00:12:10 --> 00:12:13 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: grew with cheap auction cows.
00:12:13 --> 00:12:13 So.
00:12:15 --> 00:12:20 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I think when I was in high school, I got a ag credit
00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 loan and I went and bought short and solid
00:12:23 --> 00:12:24 cows.
00:12:24 --> 00:12:27 That was, that was my go brs, short and solid cows.
00:12:27 --> 00:12:28 And they did really good.
00:12:28 --> 00:12:32 That was, I don't know, 86, 87 when I bought those.
00:12:33 --> 00:12:36 And then I went through college and had to sell 'em all to pay
00:12:36 --> 00:12:37 for living expenses in college.
00:12:37 --> 00:12:40 But they, they, it was really nice to have 'em.
00:12:40 --> 00:12:46 But I can remember, you know, I am still a fan of buying those old cows
00:12:46 --> 00:12:47 and getting the cash for two out of
00:12:47 --> 00:12:47 them.
00:12:48 --> 00:12:49 If the market doesn't mistreat you Too
00:12:50 --> 00:12:50 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: right.
00:12:50 --> 00:12:53 As long as you don't buy 'em in 2014, that's, that's the key.
00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right now it might be a little iffy with the
00:12:57 --> 00:13:01 prices right now, and they say they're gonna hold up for another year or
00:13:01 --> 00:13:03 two, but at some point they have to go
00:13:03 --> 00:13:04 down.
00:13:04 --> 00:13:04 I don't know
00:13:05 --> 00:13:07 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: know if I, so like, I, I was just
00:13:07 --> 00:13:12 able to get some more grazing and I just, I, I cannot get
00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 myself to go buy cows right now.
00:13:14 --> 00:13:17 I just, I, I just can't do it, so.
00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Well, I went to a cell last night.
00:13:20 --> 00:13:20 I.
00:13:21 --> 00:13:23 Hogs, goats and sheep,
00:13:23 --> 00:13:25 because I'm thinking I need some hogs.
00:13:25 --> 00:13:27 I've mentioned it on the podcast before.
00:13:27 --> 00:13:31 So I went to observe the sale and thought I'd buy some, I didn't buy any, but
00:13:31 --> 00:13:39 they brought in two, one to two day old hosting bull calves just through a ring.
00:13:40 --> 00:13:45 You're talking the buyers there are there for goats, sheep, or, or goats?
00:13:45 --> 00:13:46 Goats, sheep, or
00:13:46 --> 00:13:47 hogs, sorry.
00:13:47 --> 00:13:47 Those three.
00:13:48 --> 00:13:49 But they bring in these calves.
00:13:49 --> 00:13:51 They still brought $400 each.
00:13:52 --> 00:13:53 And I,
00:13:53 --> 00:13:54 I've raised
00:13:54 --> 00:13:55 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: been a good deal.
00:13:55 --> 00:13:59 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: maybe, so I, I've raised too many calves
00:13:59 --> 00:14:01 in my life to know that they,
00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 they have a knack for laying down and
00:14:03 --> 00:14:04 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:14:04 --> 00:14:04 Yeah.
00:14:04 --> 00:14:07 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: But because that, that is really
00:14:07 --> 00:14:09 cheap compared to other prices I'm
00:14:09 --> 00:14:09 seeing though.
00:14:09 --> 00:14:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
00:14:10 --> 00:14:11 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:14:11 --> 00:14:13 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I don't know it, it's an interesting time.
00:14:13 --> 00:14:17 Lots of optimism, but there's also a lot of, you know, you're like, how
00:14:17 --> 00:14:21 much, I think a lot of people got burnt like I did when they bought cows.
00:14:21 --> 00:14:24 So everyone, I think people are a little more cautious maybe so.
00:14:26 --> 00:14:26 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:14:26 --> 00:14:30 And, and there's, you know, Doug Ferguson is so good about bo out
00:14:30 --> 00:14:35 about identifying those undervalued animals in the marketplace.
00:14:36 --> 00:14:36 Yeah.
00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 One of these days I'm gonna go to his
00:14:38 --> 00:14:39 school, but yeah.
00:14:40 --> 00:14:41 Figure out where that place is.
00:14:42 --> 00:14:42 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
00:14:43 --> 00:14:47 M my brother, the best cows we ever bought, my brother he was
00:14:47 --> 00:14:51 working for a guy who would kind of trade cattle a little bit and they
00:14:51 --> 00:14:53 would buy these cheap coal cows.
00:14:54 --> 00:14:56 And then my brother, they, this is where he learned to preg check too.
00:14:56 --> 00:14:57 They'd just preg check them.
00:14:58 --> 00:15:02 And we'd buy, we'd buy some of these cheap cold cows, cold cows that are
00:15:02 --> 00:15:04 just really thin and looked rough.
00:15:05 --> 00:15:07 And we still have a bunch of those left.
00:15:07 --> 00:15:11 And I think we paid like 700 bucks 'cause he just wanted 50 bucks more than he
00:15:11 --> 00:15:12 paid for 'em or something like that.
00:15:13 --> 00:15:18 So, so my brother would pre check 'em and we'd buy a couple of those and they were
00:15:18 --> 00:15:20 some of the best purchases we ever made.
00:15:21 --> 00:15:21 Yep.
00:15:22 --> 00:15:25 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah, that dad, so when we sold out
00:15:25 --> 00:15:28 the dairy, we sold it out in 99.
00:15:29 --> 00:15:33 And so then I started working off the farm shortly after that.
00:15:33 --> 00:15:33 I went to college.
00:15:34 --> 00:15:38 I went back to college then and, and then started working off the farm and
00:15:38 --> 00:15:40 dad started building the beef herd
00:15:40 --> 00:15:40 here.
00:15:41 --> 00:15:43 And his initial purchases were like, what?
00:15:43 --> 00:15:46 You said it was whatever was cheap.
00:15:46 --> 00:15:52 So when I got home from school or work, I had to go out and, and ear notch 'em
00:15:52 --> 00:15:53 and tag 'em.
00:15:53 --> 00:15:59 And, and who You No idea what we were gonna see out there when dad pulled
00:15:59 --> 00:16:00 in.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:00 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:05 Well, you know, and, and I don't know if I was to start again, I think I've
00:16:05 --> 00:16:09 told you I'd probably buy a herd of Cory IES and put beef bulls on them.
00:16:09 --> 00:16:10 That's probably what I would do.
00:16:11 --> 00:16:14 If I didn't do that, I would probably still go the auction by cheap
00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 cows and just coal really heavy.
00:16:17 --> 00:16:17 And I still
00:16:17 --> 00:16:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:16:18 --> 00:16:21 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I, I, to me that just makes sense.
00:16:21 --> 00:16:26 It makes sense in my, I could go buy expensive cows and I go put 'em, if
00:16:26 --> 00:16:30 you saw where I run my cows in the summer, not everything does well up
00:16:30 --> 00:16:34 there, so I'm gonna have to coal 'em pretty heavy anyways, so I just, well,
00:16:34 --> 00:16:39 coal some real cheap cows as some real, you know, gold buying young heifers.
00:16:39 --> 00:16:42 I'm just, doesn't make sense in my application.
00:16:43 --> 00:16:43 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:16:44 --> 00:16:48 You know, both of those ideas soup me really well too.
00:16:48 --> 00:16:54 I kinda like those cheap cows and I also, I, I like those COEs
00:16:54 --> 00:16:55 even.
00:16:55 --> 00:16:59 They're a little expensive now, but they're still a nice price point to
00:16:59 --> 00:17:02 get in and raise a decent, decent calf if you put a good bull on
00:17:02 --> 00:17:02 them.
00:17:03 --> 00:17:05 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I think, like in my climate, I know everyone
00:17:05 --> 00:17:08 would tease me, but I passed that so
00:17:09 --> 00:17:09 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:17:09 --> 00:17:11 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: do anyways, but I,
00:17:11 --> 00:17:12 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: You just gotta get over that, you know?
00:17:12 --> 00:17:12 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
00:17:12 --> 00:17:17 But I don't know, I, I think if someone was gonna get into it, I
00:17:17 --> 00:17:20 had what, like I said, when I was getting into it, I had the wrong.
00:17:21 --> 00:17:25 Cow, and at least from what I'm thinking now, I wanted big, big wean weights.
00:17:25 --> 00:17:27 I would've never bought a corani.
00:17:27 --> 00:17:28 Like never ever.
00:17:29 --> 00:17:32 Now, I think I, I would probably have done that.
00:17:32 --> 00:17:35 I would've got my load, I could have bought a lot more corani and put beef
00:17:35 --> 00:17:37 bulls on 'em and had great success.
00:17:37 --> 00:17:41 And now I'd have couple generations down and you'd probably never
00:17:41 --> 00:17:42 know, but they would do really good
00:17:42 --> 00:17:43 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, right.
00:17:43 --> 00:17:43 Yeah.
00:17:45 --> 00:17:49 I have to, the first orientees I bought, I bought a, a small trailer
00:17:49 --> 00:17:55 load of them, and dad and mom lived down the road from me and.
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 Had him bring 'em in here to Dad's place, Rell.
00:17:59 --> 00:18:02 So I get 'em tagged and get everything done to 'em.
00:18:02 --> 00:18:02 I want it done.
00:18:04 --> 00:18:06 The guy was bringing them up on a Sunday, a Sunday evening.
00:18:06 --> 00:18:08 I thought, dad, mom won't be down here.
00:18:08 --> 00:18:09 It won't be a problem.
00:18:09 --> 00:18:09 I'll get 'em tagged.
00:18:10 --> 00:18:12 I'll get 'em onto lease land before I have to admit to dad.
00:18:12 --> 00:18:19 I bought these spotted animals and just so happens they're going to
00:18:19 --> 00:18:21 town and they pull in to talk to us.
00:18:22 --> 00:18:29 I'm outside talking to 'em when this truck pulls in, dad's like, what did you do?
00:18:30 --> 00:18:30 I said,
00:18:30 --> 00:18:32 well, you can see in just a
00:18:32 --> 00:18:33 minute.
00:18:34 --> 00:18:35 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:18:35 --> 00:18:37 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: And, and that's what I should have
00:18:37 --> 00:18:38 took a picture of was his
00:18:38 --> 00:18:39 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yes.
00:18:39 --> 00:18:39 Not the cows
00:18:40 --> 00:18:41 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: what was in that trailer.
00:18:43 --> 00:18:43 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:18:44 --> 00:18:44 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:18:45 --> 00:18:49 So you got started with those first cows and you had a little bit of land.
00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 How did the journey continue with those
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So, so that was my dad, like
00:18:55 --> 00:18:56 I said, had a little herd.
00:18:56 --> 00:18:58 My brother had maybe four or five.
00:18:58 --> 00:18:59 I had four or five.
00:18:59 --> 00:19:02 And we, we, I thought that's where it would probably end.
00:19:02 --> 00:19:02 'cause I.
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 I just thought, okay, I, I have these four or five.
00:19:05 --> 00:19:06 'cause I love it.
00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 Like I just can't stop thinking about it.
00:19:08 --> 00:19:10 It's like I wanted some cows no matter what.
00:19:10 --> 00:19:11 I wanted some cows
00:19:11 --> 00:19:16 and I, it just, you know, you just, I got out there and I don't have enough
00:19:16 --> 00:19:18 money to go buy a lot of land base.
00:19:18 --> 00:19:21 Utah has really, really expensive land.
00:19:21 --> 00:19:25 I saw, you know, housing and land in Utah's, getting up there with
00:19:25 --> 00:19:27 some like California and stuff.
00:19:27 --> 00:19:27 It's going up.
00:19:28 --> 00:19:28 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yes.
00:19:28 --> 00:19:31 I didn't realize land would be as
00:19:31 --> 00:19:32 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
00:19:32 --> 00:19:34 Not it, it's grow, it's growing.
00:19:34 --> 00:19:37 It's one of the, you know, fastest growing real estate markets as Utah.
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 It's not a great place to start.
00:19:39 --> 00:19:45 But but what I did is I just found every little piece of property that no one else
00:19:45 --> 00:19:49 cared about or wanted and I talked to them and so that's how I was able to grow.
00:19:50 --> 00:19:54 Like, I just found I still, you know, make some hay on people's.
00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 Here in town, Utah's a little different.
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 There's, there, it's split up different because of how it was settled.
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 But there's just small tracks, land and people have five acres
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 in a house and I just make hay around people's houses because
00:20:07 --> 00:20:09 no one else wanted to at the time, you know?
00:20:09 --> 00:20:12 And so that's kind of how I grew, was doing that.
00:20:12 --> 00:20:17 I got a, I got some bigger lease that made it so I could buy, you know, me and
00:20:17 --> 00:20:21 my brother got to where we could have 20 because we picked up some other small, you
00:20:21 --> 00:20:25 know, different leases that were further away and they were, no one else wanted
00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 them, pretty much is why we got 'em.
00:20:28 --> 00:20:32 Like the, they're pretty rough and the cows, there's hardly any fences.
00:20:32 --> 00:20:38 And so just doing that kind of stuff, just getting the undesirable places
00:20:38 --> 00:20:42 that no one else is competing for, that's where I kind of found my niche.
00:20:42 --> 00:20:44 And so, yeah.
00:20:45 --> 00:20:45 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right.
00:20:45 --> 00:20:51 If, if you're, if money's a limiting factor, then your labor, your
00:20:51 --> 00:20:56 time, your initiative to get out and find some of these undesirable
00:20:56 --> 00:20:58 pieces are the way you make up for
00:20:58 --> 00:20:59 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah, exactly.
00:20:59 --> 00:21:03 And, and I'm, I'm not one of the kind of people that's scared to look dumb or to
00:21:03 --> 00:21:05 get someone say, no, I'll ask someone.
00:21:05 --> 00:21:06 I don't care.
00:21:06 --> 00:21:08 It's, it's fine for me.
00:21:08 --> 00:21:08 I'll ask 'em.
00:21:08 --> 00:21:10 Most people tell me no.
00:21:10 --> 00:21:14 And then a couple years later they might call and say, Hey, I've started thinking.
00:21:14 --> 00:21:19 And you mentioned, you know, so, and, and now what, what's been really good,
00:21:19 --> 00:21:24 and this is through more connections in Utah this might, this concept's
00:21:24 --> 00:21:27 kind of different, especially for most of your listeners, I'm
00:21:27 --> 00:21:30 assuming most of Utah's public land.
00:21:30 --> 00:21:36 So what we've been able to do is now buy public land permits where we take our cows
00:21:36 --> 00:21:41 in the summer out on public land for, so like starting May 15th through October
00:21:41 --> 00:21:43 15th, my cows are out on public land.
00:21:44 --> 00:21:47 So as it had a, I bought those rights to be able to do that.
00:21:47 --> 00:21:51 So that just came up through connections from my dad growing
00:21:51 --> 00:21:53 up there and that kind of stuff.
00:21:53 --> 00:21:57 So that's where majority of my cows now go up on public land.
00:21:57 --> 00:22:01 In the summer, I was just able to buy or kind of do some deal
00:22:01 --> 00:22:05 where I got an extra hundred head grazing rights on public land.
00:22:05 --> 00:22:11 So I was able to grow and do some of that, and cut, cut back on some of my leases.
00:22:11 --> 00:22:14 I wasn't able to just go buy another a hundred head of cows.
00:22:14 --> 00:22:16 Like I don't, I didn't have that.
00:22:16 --> 00:22:20 So I just, some of the leases that, and I've kind of done that as I've leveled up.
00:22:20 --> 00:22:24 I've moved, I've gone to some of those leases that are less profitable because
00:22:24 --> 00:22:26 I had to haul water or something like
00:22:27 --> 00:22:27 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:22:27 --> 00:22:28 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: just kind of cut those and
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 moved and we've able to grow.
00:22:30 --> 00:22:31 Now we're.
00:22:32 --> 00:22:33 me and my dad and brother.
00:22:33 --> 00:22:35 We're equal partners on the deal.
00:22:35 --> 00:22:35 Now.
00:22:35 --> 00:22:41 We've all run it together as an LLC RIP Ranch, and so we get, we're we run,
00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 we can run about 150 mother cows now.
00:22:44 --> 00:22:47 And so we've kind of evolved from when we started and I
00:22:47 --> 00:22:49 had five, my dad had 28 and my
00:22:49 --> 00:22:49 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:22:50 --> 00:22:53 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: or four, so now we're about 150.
00:22:53 --> 00:22:53 Close to that.
00:22:53 --> 00:22:54 We're not all the way there.
00:22:54 --> 00:22:59 I'm running extra heifers this year to kind of get up on my numbers, but so
00:22:59 --> 00:23:03 we do that in the summer that really has helped us expand and then I lease,
00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 I lease, we don't own very much.
00:23:06 --> 00:23:11 We probably own between us all 20, 20, 30 acres maybe,
00:23:11 --> 00:23:13 and then all the rest I lease,
00:23:13 --> 00:23:13 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:23:14 --> 00:23:14 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: yeah.
00:23:16 --> 00:23:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: So there's two things there.
00:23:18 --> 00:23:18 Karson.
00:23:18 --> 00:23:20 I want, I want to get into.
00:23:20 --> 00:23:21 One's your family.
00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 LLC and how that, how you all got started on that.
00:23:25 --> 00:23:26 And the other thing is public
00:23:26 --> 00:23:30 lands, like you said, that's not something I'm familiar with
00:23:30 --> 00:23:32 outside of conversations we've had.
00:23:32 --> 00:23:33 That's all I know
00:23:33 --> 00:23:33 about it.
00:23:33 --> 00:23:36 So maybe a few other conversations.
00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 So I'd like to get into that a little bit more.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:42 But first, let's talk about your brother, your dad and yourself forming
00:23:42 --> 00:23:44 a LLC and running cattle together.
00:23:44 --> 00:23:48 How was that process and how has it gone for you?
00:23:48 --> 00:23:51 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So we were all my dad had his
00:23:51 --> 00:23:53 cows, my brother had his cows.
00:23:53 --> 00:23:54 I had my cows.
00:23:55 --> 00:23:58 And we would just go at the end of the year and do that awful
00:23:58 --> 00:24:00 thing and say, I bought this much.
00:24:00 --> 00:24:05 And we would, we would do this thing and I'd pay my brother, he'd pay me, my dad.
00:24:05 --> 00:24:07 We, it was just this big mess.
00:24:07 --> 00:24:09 And we all worked on the same team.
00:24:09 --> 00:24:11 We never thought, oh, that's your cows.
00:24:11 --> 00:24:12 You need to go get it.
00:24:12 --> 00:24:14 'cause we all ran together, wherever we ran,
00:24:14 --> 00:24:15 we just had our own cows.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:20 About two years ago we, we'd kind of talked about like, Hey, we need
00:24:20 --> 00:24:25 to figure something out to make this so it makes more sense because.
00:24:26 --> 00:24:28 It's just to make it fair for everyone.
00:24:28 --> 00:24:31 And so we, what we did is we all had at, by the end, we
00:24:31 --> 00:24:33 were all pretty close on cows.
00:24:33 --> 00:24:35 Maybe I had, my brother might have had two or three more than
00:24:35 --> 00:24:36 me and my dad might have had
00:24:37 --> 00:24:37 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:24:37 --> 00:24:39 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And we just said, you know what,
00:24:39 --> 00:24:43 if we're all fine with it, we just did a, made an LLC and we threw
00:24:43 --> 00:24:44 everything in the, into the pot.
00:24:45 --> 00:24:49 And we, now it's just all the rip branch, we're all third owners.
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 Everything happens in thirds.
00:24:52 --> 00:24:53 Which works really good.
00:24:53 --> 00:24:57 And I think the reason is we're all really, really putting a lot of effort,
00:24:57 --> 00:25:00 not keeping score on who does what.
00:25:01 --> 00:25:05 And you know, we all know whose strengths what.
00:25:05 --> 00:25:09 And like my dad, he's retired, so he goes and feeds the cows
00:25:09 --> 00:25:10 way more than me and my brother.
00:25:10 --> 00:25:15 My brother manages a ranch for work and I have a job, you know, I work at Redmond.
00:25:15 --> 00:25:17 So I do that and I.
00:25:18 --> 00:25:22 But my dad is able to do a lot of the day-to-day stuff 'cause he is retired.
00:25:22 --> 00:25:25 But then I do different things that I'm better at than my dad.
00:25:25 --> 00:25:26 So we kind of
00:25:26 --> 00:25:26 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah.
00:25:26 --> 00:25:28 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: having that awareness and
00:25:28 --> 00:25:29 that's kind of how it's worked.
00:25:29 --> 00:25:32 It's worked really, really well.
00:25:32 --> 00:25:34 Like, I couldn't have asked for it.
00:25:34 --> 00:25:36 I wouldn't do it the other way.
00:25:36 --> 00:25:38 Again, I would do what we're doing.
00:25:38 --> 00:25:39 It's, it's worked out.
00:25:40 --> 00:25:43 'cause we've been able to combine capital to buy some, you know, some,
00:25:43 --> 00:25:47 some things we wouldn't have had to because it's like, well I have this
00:25:47 --> 00:25:51 much money that I can invest and my brother had this much and this much.
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 And then how do you do that on your taxes when you each bought a third
00:25:53 --> 00:25:55 of a tractor and all this kind of,
00:25:55 --> 00:25:59 you know, so we, it's just been, it's been really good.
00:25:59 --> 00:26:03 I know, I know there are, you know, there's always the, well, what does
00:26:03 --> 00:26:05 it do when it blows up at some point?
00:26:05 --> 00:26:08 Or you split up and we've, we've been planning on that and we're
00:26:08 --> 00:26:10 gonna do more kind of planning.
00:26:10 --> 00:26:13 But I think it's worked out really well for us.
00:26:14 --> 00:26:14 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:26:15 --> 00:26:21 And just to speak to that, do you all try to have set meetings or are you
00:26:21 --> 00:26:24 all just a family that talks a lot?
00:26:24 --> 00:26:30 How do you keep any undercurrent from developing into or festering into a
00:26:30 --> 00:26:32 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: That's a good, I that's a good thought.
00:26:32 --> 00:26:36 If you ask my wife, she'll say, because Karson has no other
00:26:36 --> 00:26:38 friends and his dad and brother.
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 So if that makes sense.
00:26:40 --> 00:26:43 Like I have no other friend.
00:26:43 --> 00:26:47 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I'm, I'm laughing Karson, because that's what my wife tells
00:26:47 --> 00:26:47 me.
00:26:47 --> 00:26:50 I, she's like, you're on the phone with your dad again.
00:26:50 --> 00:26:52 You've talked to him three times today.
00:26:53 --> 00:26:55 What more do you have to say
00:26:55 --> 00:26:55 to him?
00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: we have a group chat and
00:26:57 --> 00:26:58 on text, you know, it's me.
00:26:58 --> 00:27:04 And, and I bet you that's who I'm, we talk all the time, you know, whether
00:27:04 --> 00:27:07 it's about what I'm doing at work, that's just what we do and we're very
00:27:07 --> 00:27:08 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, yeah.
00:27:09 --> 00:27:11 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I, I, I think part of it, and we
00:27:11 --> 00:27:13 are very forward with each other.
00:27:13 --> 00:27:18 I think that is what most people miss, is if I'm upset, I can say,
00:27:18 --> 00:27:20 Hey dad, this has been upsetting me.
00:27:21 --> 00:27:23 Can we do, can we, what can we do?
00:27:23 --> 00:27:26 And then he'll probably say, well, I'm doing that 'cause you're upsetting me.
00:27:26 --> 00:27:27 And then we kind of figured out,
00:27:28 --> 00:27:28 right?
00:27:28 --> 00:27:30 So I think part of it is
00:27:30 --> 00:27:31 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Having that communication.
00:27:31 --> 00:27:35 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: and and we try that it, it's that the,
00:27:35 --> 00:27:40 the communication and then the honesty are probably the two most important.
00:27:40 --> 00:27:42 And I wouldn't want to do it with anyone else.
00:27:42 --> 00:27:43 You know?
00:27:43 --> 00:27:43 I
00:27:43 --> 00:27:44 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:44 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: know.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:47 Well, part of it's, I know I couldn't do it all by myself.
00:27:48 --> 00:27:51 And my dad knows he doesn't wanna do it all by himself, and my
00:27:51 --> 00:27:53 brother can't do it all by himself.
00:27:53 --> 00:27:56 So we're all relying on each other to make it work.
00:27:56 --> 00:27:58 And so it's been really good.
00:27:59 --> 00:27:59 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, well.
00:28:00 --> 00:28:00 Well, good.
00:28:00 --> 00:28:05 Has, were you all always this close or has it evolved into being this close?
00:28:06 --> 00:28:07 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: We're, we're, we've all
00:28:07 --> 00:28:08 been pretty dang close.
00:28:08 --> 00:28:11 I'm older than my brother, five years, so it's, you know, we, if
00:28:11 --> 00:28:14 you would've asked me in high school when he was in middle school and he'd
00:28:14 --> 00:28:16 like wreck my four wheeler and stuff,
00:28:17 --> 00:28:19 I would never have worked with him.
00:28:19 --> 00:28:24 But we, we all just, you know, that's just kind of, we're very close.
00:28:24 --> 00:28:25 We're just very close.
00:28:26 --> 00:28:29 So I think that's probably where it all started.
00:28:29 --> 00:28:32 And we were, we all had this dream of having a ranch.
00:28:33 --> 00:28:34 None of us thought we could do it.
00:28:34 --> 00:28:36 Like, if that makes sense.
00:28:36 --> 00:28:37 None of us thought we'd ever get
00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: No, it, it does.
00:28:39 --> 00:28:41 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so now that we do, we just
00:28:41 --> 00:28:43 are, we are really enjoying it.
00:28:44 --> 00:28:48 And sometimes when my dad's frustrated or something, I'll say, dad, remember
00:28:48 --> 00:28:52 five years ago you would've been dreaming to be able to run this many
00:28:52 --> 00:28:56 cows or to be able to do this or that we would be able to afford to
00:28:56 --> 00:28:58 do this because we just couldn't.
00:28:59 --> 00:29:01 So it's, it's been good.
00:29:01 --> 00:29:04 And we all have the same goal and we have the same things.
00:29:04 --> 00:29:08 We send each other podcasts and we're always, we, you
00:29:08 --> 00:29:09 know, it's, it's been great.
00:29:09 --> 00:29:12 I, I, I really am happy with it.
00:29:12 --> 00:29:13 I wouldn't wanna do it alone.
00:29:14 --> 00:29:17 That's part of why it probably works, is I don't think I could do it alone.
00:29:17 --> 00:29:19 I'm not jealous of what my brother can do.
00:29:19 --> 00:29:20 And he's, it's just
00:29:20 --> 00:29:21 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:29:21 --> 00:29:23 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so we built that foundation well.
00:29:24 --> 00:29:27 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I know for, for me, working with my dad,
00:29:28 --> 00:29:30 it hasn't always been a smooth ride.
00:29:31 --> 00:29:34 Of course when I was younger I thought I was a lot smarter than I am.
00:29:35 --> 00:29:40 And so, so now I realize I'm not as smart as I think I am, and it,
00:29:40 --> 00:29:42 it makes the, the journey easier.
00:29:42 --> 00:29:44 And like I said, dad and I talk a lot.
00:29:44 --> 00:29:48 Of course, sometimes I still vent to my wife that I can't
00:29:48 --> 00:29:50 believe that's what they're doing
00:29:50 --> 00:29:52 or wants to do, but it's gonna be fine.
00:29:53 --> 00:29:55 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I, I'll tell you this, Cal, one
00:29:55 --> 00:30:00 of the reasons it works so good is my dad is a, he is the man.
00:30:00 --> 00:30:04 But by this, I mean, when we put everything together, I might say
00:30:04 --> 00:30:05 we were all had similar cows.
00:30:06 --> 00:30:07 He still put more into the pot.
00:30:07 --> 00:30:08 Like my,
00:30:08 --> 00:30:09 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:30:09 --> 00:30:09 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: that kind of guy.
00:30:10 --> 00:30:15 The other thing is, is like, you could tell from earlier I came, we came from
00:30:15 --> 00:30:20 very conventional thinking on ranching and, you know, inputs and ween weight.
00:30:20 --> 00:30:22 That's the thing we cared about.
00:30:22 --> 00:30:26 My dad has done nothing but let me and my brother thrive.
00:30:26 --> 00:30:28 You know, so
00:30:28 --> 00:30:32 he he has not said, well, that's not the way I did it,
00:30:32 --> 00:30:33 or I think it should be done.
00:30:33 --> 00:30:35 Or my grandpa, if I want a Bel Graze.
00:30:35 --> 00:30:38 My dad, like two years ago, I said, I want a bell.
00:30:38 --> 00:30:39 We want a bell graze.
00:30:40 --> 00:30:43 And he, he's like, it kind of seems stupid, you know?
00:30:43 --> 00:30:45 Like he's nice about it.
00:30:45 --> 00:30:48 He's like, it makes no sense why they're gonna waste so much.
00:30:49 --> 00:30:51 But he didn't say, you can't Bel Graze.
00:30:51 --> 00:30:54 We went and Bel Graze a spot this summer.
00:30:54 --> 00:30:58 We were looking at that field and he goes, why didn't you guys bel graze more?
00:30:58 --> 00:30:58 You know?
00:31:01 --> 00:31:04 So, and then this year we did a bunch of bell grazing, so.
00:31:05 --> 00:31:10 I think that that one of the reasons it works is my dad is a champ.
00:31:10 --> 00:31:11 He does not,
00:31:11 --> 00:31:15 he does not think that he is because he's got some more experience.
00:31:15 --> 00:31:19 And I think that comes from, he didn't have a lot before.
00:31:19 --> 00:31:20 We kind of grew it all together.
00:31:20 --> 00:31:23 We were all growing at the same time and together.
00:31:23 --> 00:31:24 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:31:24 --> 00:31:27 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: he is, he's made it really smooth that way.
00:31:27 --> 00:31:29 And it's not like we don't have frustrations.
00:31:29 --> 00:31:31 There's things, and you work with your dad.
00:31:32 --> 00:31:32 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right,
00:31:33 --> 00:31:33 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: there's
00:31:33 --> 00:31:33 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: right.
00:31:34 --> 00:31:34 They're
00:31:34 --> 00:31:34 always gonna
00:31:34 --> 00:31:36 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: drive you nuts, but
00:31:37 --> 00:31:40 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: And, and if I talk to someone that's outside
00:31:40 --> 00:31:42 a third party, they'll say it's just because you're just like him,
00:31:43 --> 00:31:43 but,
00:31:43 --> 00:31:43 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: that's right.
00:31:44 --> 00:31:45 Yep.
00:31:45 --> 00:31:47 Those are the things that bug you the most about 'em.
00:31:47 --> 00:31:49 But then you'd be like, oh geez, that's the same.
00:31:49 --> 00:31:50 I'm the same way.
00:31:50 --> 00:31:51 So
00:31:52 --> 00:31:52 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: right.
00:31:52 --> 00:31:52 Yeah.
00:31:53 --> 00:31:54 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: that's how
00:31:54 --> 00:31:54 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:31:54 --> 00:31:54 Uh.
00:31:55 --> 00:31:55 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: dynamic works.
00:31:55 --> 00:31:58 It's, it's been really, well, not, not all roses.
00:31:58 --> 00:32:03 We have our things and I'll be mad at my, but it get, it works out.
00:32:03 --> 00:32:04 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:32:04 --> 00:32:10 Well, communication, honesty, transparency I, you didn't say transparency, but I
00:32:10 --> 00:32:15 just see from the conversation a lot of transparency, honesty, and communication.
00:32:15 --> 00:32:18 Those things are gonna solve so many things.
00:32:19 --> 00:32:23 Rather, it's working with family or whatever job you're
00:32:23 --> 00:32:23 doing.
00:32:23 --> 00:32:25 I, I see so many things.
00:32:25 --> 00:32:27 Communication's, just that huge one
00:32:27 --> 00:32:29 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I'll, I'll tell you one more
00:32:29 --> 00:32:31 that I think is really important.
00:32:31 --> 00:32:35 If you just assign good intent to what they're doing,
00:32:35 --> 00:32:37 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: oh, yes,
00:32:37 --> 00:32:38 I agree.
00:32:38 --> 00:32:40 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: instead of being like, goodness
00:32:40 --> 00:32:44 gracious, my brother, what a, you know, he did this and he did it.
00:32:44 --> 00:32:45 He knew.
00:32:45 --> 00:32:46 He knew.
00:32:46 --> 00:32:50 You know, there's always that if you just assign good intent to what people
00:32:50 --> 00:32:55 are doing and if they, if we mess up, if dad didn't do something that the
00:32:55 --> 00:32:58 way I would've done it, if I assigned the best intent to what he is doing,
00:32:58 --> 00:33:00 that makes a big difference too.
00:33:00 --> 00:33:01 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, yeah.
00:33:01 --> 00:33:03 I, I like to call it giving the benefit of the
00:33:03 --> 00:33:03 doubt.
00:33:04 --> 00:33:07 But yeah, that good intent, it may, yeah.
00:33:07 --> 00:33:09 That could apply everywhere as well.
00:33:09 --> 00:33:12 If we did that to each other as a nation,
00:33:12 --> 00:33:13 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Oh my goodness.
00:33:13 --> 00:33:14 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: be so much better
00:33:15 --> 00:33:15 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:33:16 --> 00:33:16 Yes, we would.
00:33:16 --> 00:33:17 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:33:18 --> 00:33:18 Yeah.
00:33:18 --> 00:33:20 That's as far political as I'll
00:33:20 --> 00:33:22 go, but that's really where we should be.
00:33:23 --> 00:33:24 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: geez.
00:33:24 --> 00:33:25 That's really picking a stand, Cal.
00:33:26 --> 00:33:27 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah, I know, I know.
00:33:27 --> 00:33:32 I, I, I, want to be open and accepting of and help everyone.
00:33:32 --> 00:33:33 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah, agree.
00:33:33 --> 00:33:34 That's great.
00:33:35 --> 00:33:35 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:33:36 --> 00:33:37 Let, let's talk
00:33:39 --> 00:33:41 first before we go public lands.
00:33:41 --> 00:33:44 You've talked about dynamics of your family operation.
00:33:45 --> 00:33:52 But somewhere in there, y you all made a switch from going with these large
00:33:52 --> 00:33:56 frame cows to working for something that might work better with nature.
00:33:57 --> 00:34:00 And I, I hate to even word it that way because I don't wanna put words in your
00:34:00 --> 00:34:05 mouth, but at some point you went from these large frame cows to, you had a mind
00:34:05 --> 00:34:05 shift.
00:34:05 --> 00:34:06 What caused that?
00:34:06 --> 00:34:10 And were you and your brother and dad, you mentioned your dad with the
00:34:10 --> 00:34:13 bell grazing, but were you all in agreement on that, or what kind of
00:34:13 --> 00:34:16 journey was that to, to get there?
00:34:16 --> 00:34:20 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So I think it started, my brother
00:34:20 --> 00:34:24 went after he graduated high school, went out to Nebraska and worked for
00:34:24 --> 00:34:27 Ag Reserves which is a large ranch.
00:34:27 --> 00:34:28 If you guys know Burke Tiger.
00:34:28 --> 00:34:29 He was the one who kind of
00:34:30 --> 00:34:33 started ag, you know, he ran Ag Reserves, so he went out to the Rex
00:34:33 --> 00:34:35 Ranch where Burke Tiger managed.
00:34:35 --> 00:34:36 Not anymore.
00:34:36 --> 00:34:37 He didn't work with Burke.
00:34:37 --> 00:34:41 But he worked out there and he would call us and tell us about these cows.
00:34:41 --> 00:34:46 And he is like, they're, they, the first calls were like, these guys are stupid.
00:34:46 --> 00:34:52 You know, they've got these little cows that, you know, these little ugly cows
00:34:52 --> 00:34:57 that just, and so he started that and he went out there and worked a year and
00:34:57 --> 00:35:01 he started coming home and he, that's where we kinda learned little more about
00:35:01 --> 00:35:03 stockmanship and all this kind of stuff.
00:35:03 --> 00:35:05 Was ideas planted in my brother there.
00:35:05 --> 00:35:09 But at first it was like, they're not very smart, they're not near
00:35:09 --> 00:35:11 as smart as we are, you know?
00:35:12 --> 00:35:12 So.
00:35:12 --> 00:35:16 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I'm, I'm gonna stop you right there, Karson, because it
00:35:16 --> 00:35:20 brings to mind, so I had this, so when I dared, I always had a high school kid
00:35:20 --> 00:35:22 helping me, so he'd milk occasionally.
00:35:23 --> 00:35:27 You know, I had this one high school kid that worked for me and I met, I
00:35:27 --> 00:35:30 saw him a few years later and he's like, oh, I'm buying Longhorn cows.
00:35:30 --> 00:35:34 He says, 'cause my uncle has them and he never does anything with them.
00:35:34 --> 00:35:36 He just sells gavs.
00:35:36 --> 00:35:40 I thought at the time, that was the dumbest thing I've
00:35:40 --> 00:35:40 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
00:35:41 --> 00:35:44 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: And and I remember talking to dad about it, and at
00:35:44 --> 00:35:48 the time we were pushing limousine, we were trying to push bigger cows and stuff.
00:35:48 --> 00:35:49 I'm like, that is so dumb.
00:35:51 --> 00:35:51 We're so smart.
00:35:51 --> 00:35:56 And here, you know, a few years ago I brought in that load of Corte,
00:35:56 --> 00:35:57 which
00:35:58 --> 00:35:58 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:35:58 --> 00:36:00 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: probably a little less than Longhorn.
00:36:00 --> 00:36:03 So, you know, it's interesting how that
00:36:03 --> 00:36:03 happens.
00:36:05 --> 00:36:07 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So that was, that was the start as we thought
00:36:07 --> 00:36:08 they were dumb, and then he came back.
00:36:09 --> 00:36:13 And he went and worked on another ranch that's down on a desert and we kind
00:36:13 --> 00:36:17 of, he kind of saw cows that never touched hay bales much, you know,
00:36:18 --> 00:36:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh,
00:36:18 --> 00:36:20 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: we started seeing what worked,
00:36:20 --> 00:36:21 what didn't work out there.
00:36:22 --> 00:36:25 The other thing is when I started, when I left the co-op and
00:36:25 --> 00:36:27 started working at Redmond, that
00:36:28 --> 00:36:31 because of who the customer of Redmond is, that really opened my eyes.
00:36:31 --> 00:36:36 Like I started meeting all these people and I'd go to, you know, I
00:36:36 --> 00:36:39 remember when I went to the first, I went to this Montana Soil Health
00:36:40 --> 00:36:41 thing that's in Billings, Montana.
00:36:42 --> 00:36:44 And I listened to all these people, talk about their cows,
00:36:44 --> 00:36:46 and man, it opened my eyes.
00:36:46 --> 00:36:50 So it was a bunch of little things then I, and because you've talked
00:36:50 --> 00:36:54 to me, you know, I'm also, I'm not an avid reader 'cause I'm dyslexic.
00:36:54 --> 00:36:56 I'm an avid listener to books.
00:36:56 --> 00:37:02 And so listening to like dirt to Soil man cattle and felt all those things,
00:37:02 --> 00:37:06 and listening to Steve Campbell it was just, it's been a progression.
00:37:06 --> 00:37:09 And, and all the way up to the progression of now, we kind of felt
00:37:09 --> 00:37:15 like it was hard for us to find bulls that fit what we want to do in our area.
00:37:15 --> 00:37:18 So we even raised bulls now from our, we bought some registered
00:37:18 --> 00:37:20 cows about two years ago.
00:37:20 --> 00:37:25 We now we're raising low what we're trying our goals, low input bulls.
00:37:25 --> 00:37:29 So I'm getting old, old, you know, like oldie genetics and Pharaoh
00:37:29 --> 00:37:31 and stuff and putting 'em on that.
00:37:31 --> 00:37:36 And I, so it's changed, but it went from me thinking everyone who was doing
00:37:36 --> 00:37:37 something different than me, stupid.
00:37:37 --> 00:37:39 Now everyone just thinks I'm stupid.
00:37:39 --> 00:37:40 So
00:37:40 --> 00:37:41 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:37:41 --> 00:37:41 Yeah.
00:37:41 --> 00:37:41 Right.
00:37:43 --> 00:37:44 Yeah.
00:37:44 --> 00:37:46 That, that's okay.
00:37:46 --> 00:37:48 If if they're doing it and it's working for them,
00:37:48 --> 00:37:49 great.
00:37:49 --> 00:37:51 If, if it's not working, so great.
00:37:51 --> 00:37:52 I've got some ideas you could
00:37:53 --> 00:37:53 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: exactly.
00:37:53 --> 00:37:54 Yep.
00:37:55 --> 00:37:55 Yep.
00:37:55 --> 00:37:59 And, and then the other thing is Cal is financially.
00:37:59 --> 00:38:04 It when we, we were floating our ranch so much until we started, we
00:38:04 --> 00:38:07 combined and, you know, I know the market's changed, but we were really
00:38:07 --> 00:38:10 floating our ranch with our jobs a lot.
00:38:10 --> 00:38:10 Like
00:38:10 --> 00:38:11 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: off the
00:38:11 --> 00:38:12 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: that was another thing
00:38:12 --> 00:38:13 why we, we combined.
00:38:13 --> 00:38:18 'cause we're like, we wanna see if we can even do this and make money and not just
00:38:18 --> 00:38:24 be a sve to our, my, my make it so my wife was a little happier with my, what
00:38:24 --> 00:38:25 I'm putting into the ranch, you know?
00:38:26 --> 00:38:26 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right?
00:38:27 --> 00:38:29 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so part of that was we stopped a lot of
00:38:29 --> 00:38:32 inputs and you start, stop doing inputs.
00:38:32 --> 00:38:35 You find out what kind of cows work on your place.
00:38:35 --> 00:38:36 I'd say
00:38:36 --> 00:38:39 once in a while you'll have one that really surprises you.
00:38:39 --> 00:38:43 Like you'll have this big cow that, you know, doesn't really fit
00:38:43 --> 00:38:44 what I think would be a good cow.
00:38:44 --> 00:38:48 But man, she, if she breeds up and I don't have to baby her.
00:38:48 --> 00:38:48 She's great.
00:38:48 --> 00:38:50 I love her on the place.
00:38:50 --> 00:38:51 So you know that.
00:38:52 --> 00:38:57 So yeah, take away some bandaids, you'll find out real quick what works.
00:38:58 --> 00:39:02 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: You know, I, the, the part I love there when
00:39:02 --> 00:39:06 you talk about ER's philosophy and he's like, test the animals.
00:39:08 --> 00:39:10 In the environment, you expect him to be productive.
00:39:11 --> 00:39:15 And he's, and I'm gonna paraphrase, I'm sure I'm gonna butcher it all, but you
00:39:15 --> 00:39:20 know, quit trying to figure out what traits you need and focus in on what you
00:39:20 --> 00:39:21 need.
00:39:21 --> 00:39:26 And if that's a kef every year to sell, that's a great starting place.
00:39:26 --> 00:39:29 Instead of worrying about keese, worry about if she weans
00:39:29 --> 00:39:31 a calf, if that cow, weans
00:39:31 --> 00:39:32 a calf, hey, we're good.
00:39:32 --> 00:39:35 And keese may be, may not be quite the right one,
00:39:35 --> 00:39:40 but you know, worry about the size and then you can start focusing or
00:39:40 --> 00:39:44 not focusing, but by selecting for that end product that you need.
00:39:44 --> 00:39:47 Those traits you need are coupled in
00:39:47 --> 00:39:48 there.
00:39:48 --> 00:39:49 That's how it's getting there.
00:39:50 --> 00:39:56 And instead, sometimes we wanna make indexes and say, well, it should be, and
00:39:56 --> 00:39:57 I'm gonna pick on the dairy industry.
00:39:57 --> 00:40:01 You know, we're gonna look at the type of the animal and we're gonna look at
00:40:01 --> 00:40:03 the butter fat here and the protein.
00:40:03 --> 00:40:07 Look at what your final result is that you want.
00:40:07 --> 00:40:08 And go with that.
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10 Quit trying to outsmart nature.
00:40:11 --> 00:40:11 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yep.
00:40:11 --> 00:40:13 And just, and take away the bandaids.
00:40:13 --> 00:40:17 Like if you take away the ba you'll find out really fast.
00:40:17 --> 00:40:18 And, and we did.
00:40:18 --> 00:40:21 And sometimes you're really frustrated 'cause you really like a
00:40:21 --> 00:40:23 cow, but she's just gonna be gone.
00:40:23 --> 00:40:25 And it's okay.
00:40:25 --> 00:40:26 Right now it's really okay.
00:40:26 --> 00:40:27 'cause the coal market's great.
00:40:28 --> 00:40:29 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: It's really
00:40:29 --> 00:40:30 okay right
00:40:30 --> 00:40:30 now.
00:40:30 --> 00:40:30 Yeah.
00:40:30 --> 00:40:31 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: less, less.
00:40:31 --> 00:40:32 Other times.
00:40:32 --> 00:40:36 But it, I think, I think you just gotta be open to that.
00:40:36 --> 00:40:42 And you'll see I live in a desert, so a big cow makes zero, zero sense.
00:40:42 --> 00:40:43 You know,
00:40:43 --> 00:40:45 when I get into the public land.
00:40:45 --> 00:40:50 It's big country, you know, everyone wants to know the cow per acre out where
00:40:50 --> 00:40:54 I run it, it's probably a hundred acres per cow calf pair for those six months.
00:40:54 --> 00:40:55 So
00:40:55 --> 00:40:55 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah.
00:40:55 --> 00:40:57 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: you think you want something
00:40:57 --> 00:40:59 that's uber efficient out there?
00:40:59 --> 00:40:59 And
00:40:59 --> 00:41:00 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:41:00 --> 00:41:03 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so all that just, it's all worked together
00:41:03 --> 00:41:07 in the whole, you know, as you talk about what changed, it's all the above.
00:41:07 --> 00:41:10 Listen to people like you and it's all helped me change.
00:41:12 --> 00:41:13 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Well, I appreciate you, including
00:41:13 --> 00:41:15 me, but I, I think that was
00:41:15 --> 00:41:17 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Hey, I, I did on my, I don't know if,
00:41:17 --> 00:41:22 you know, when I, I have a YouTube channel and I did one time say early,
00:41:22 --> 00:41:25 I said, if you wanna learn, you gotta listen to GR Grass podcast.
00:41:25 --> 00:41:26 And it's before I
00:41:26 --> 00:41:27 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: there we go.
00:41:28 --> 00:41:31 Yeah, so, oh, so, so now it is not
00:41:31 --> 00:41:31 so
00:41:32 --> 00:41:32 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Now I know you,
00:41:32 --> 00:41:33 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I, I kind of get
00:41:33 --> 00:41:34 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: yeah, I'll tell, I'll
00:41:34 --> 00:41:35 recommend different things.
00:41:35 --> 00:41:37 Just let, just message me.
00:41:38 --> 00:41:39 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah, there you go.
00:41:40 --> 00:41:42 Let's, let's talk about public
00:41:42 --> 00:41:47 land, and you mentioned there, you know, it's rugged land.
00:41:47 --> 00:41:51 You're, you're not running very many cows per acre out there.
00:41:51 --> 00:41:55 What's that even look like for someone from Oklahoma?
00:41:55 --> 00:41:57 I, I think about our public land and it's.
00:41:58 --> 00:42:03 It's wooded and it's over by the lake and people can hunt on it.
00:42:03 --> 00:42:06 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So I thi, I think this will help
00:42:06 --> 00:42:10 give some context on why they're EI think first you kind of need
00:42:10 --> 00:42:11 to know why there's public land.
00:42:11 --> 00:42:12 I think that really helps.
00:42:12 --> 00:42:17 So think about when someone went to Oklahoma and they could homestead and
00:42:17 --> 00:42:23 they got 320 acres or 180 acres, their family could live on 120 acres, right?
00:42:24 --> 00:42:26 Or three or 360 acres.
00:42:26 --> 00:42:28 You could live, you could raise a family.
00:42:28 --> 00:42:34 If I moved that same homestead to Utah, there, there's a little valley
00:42:34 --> 00:42:37 that maybe if you lived in that valley you could make it 360 acres.
00:42:37 --> 00:42:38 But that's where everyone lived.
00:42:39 --> 00:42:39 So.
00:42:40 --> 00:42:40 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:42:41 --> 00:42:43 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And I told you the cows, it might
00:42:43 --> 00:42:45 take a hundred acres to run a cow.
00:42:45 --> 00:42:49 So if you had 300, 6 20 acres, yeah, you got three cows.
00:42:49 --> 00:42:50 Look at you.
00:42:50 --> 00:42:50 Good job.
00:42:50 --> 00:42:53 You know, and there might not be any water on it.
00:42:53 --> 00:42:58 So what happened is, you know, the home people would then that's when
00:42:58 --> 00:43:00 grazing on public land started.
00:43:00 --> 00:43:04 'cause they'd settled these valleys and they'd raise their hay there and
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06 then they'd graze the public lands.
00:43:07 --> 00:43:07 So
00:43:07 --> 00:43:07 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh
00:43:08 --> 00:43:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: where I'm at, and it's not just me,
00:43:10 --> 00:43:14 there's probably seven other families that run on the same public land.
00:43:14 --> 00:43:17 And to be able to run there, you have to own a, what we call as a permit.
00:43:18 --> 00:43:20 It's just the ability to, to run on that land.
00:43:21 --> 00:43:21 Okay?
00:43:21 --> 00:43:25 And you can sell the permit just like you would sell a pasture.
00:43:25 --> 00:43:26 You sell the permit, the right to do it.
00:43:27 --> 00:43:29 So, but it doesn't mean you own the land.
00:43:29 --> 00:43:34 You and I don't get to choose the thing that stress, that's the worst is I don't
00:43:34 --> 00:43:36 get to choose how I graze up there.
00:43:37 --> 00:43:39 The government chooses how I graze.
00:43:39 --> 00:43:44 That's one of the, the caveats, you know, I don't have to buy the land,
00:43:44 --> 00:43:48 but I still have to pay grazing fees and fencing fees and all that.
00:43:48 --> 00:43:51 And the other thing is I don't get to choose how we graze.
00:43:51 --> 00:43:55 We don't graze how I'd like for six months a year because I don't get to choose.
00:43:56 --> 00:43:59 But I live in rough enough country that my cows still get weeded out
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02 because I want the where I am at.
00:44:02 --> 00:44:03 And each public land's different.
00:44:04 --> 00:44:07 Where my one grandpa runs, my one uncle runs cows.
00:44:07 --> 00:44:09 It's kinda like the Garden of Eden.
00:44:09 --> 00:44:14 There's big, there's, you know, tall grass meadows, high mountain meadows,
00:44:14 --> 00:44:18 beautiful aspens with tall green grass.
00:44:18 --> 00:44:20 And the cows can get fat as they can be.
00:44:21 --> 00:44:23 I, you move a little further where I run cows.
00:44:24 --> 00:44:27 And if you watch my YouTube video, I always joke, well, if you're wondering
00:44:27 --> 00:44:29 what the cow's eating, it's rocks.
00:44:29 --> 00:44:34 It's because they, you know, they're, they're, it's sagebrush and no live
00:44:34 --> 00:44:37 water and just using dugouts or ponds.
00:44:37 --> 00:44:41 So it varies where you're at and how, but,
00:44:41 --> 00:44:41 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:44:42 --> 00:44:43 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so I know that's a little complex
00:44:43 --> 00:44:47 and confusing, but, so some people might have the most beautiful grazing
00:44:47 --> 00:44:52 ever in the summer, and I have some of the most rugged grazing.
00:44:52 --> 00:44:57 It, you know, it's, it's the, when you think of pastures sink of 20
00:44:57 --> 00:45:03 acres and then I reroute 'em through 20 acre pastures or 15 acres.
00:45:03 --> 00:45:07 So that entails, we don't get, we do everything horseback out there.
00:45:07 --> 00:45:10 So because it's so big.
00:45:10 --> 00:45:14 But that, I hope that gives a little context, but it's, it's
00:45:14 --> 00:45:16 varies what it looks like.
00:45:16 --> 00:45:21 Varies, but what it kinda is, is you get told you can run on this track to land.
00:45:22 --> 00:45:27 And you can run this many cows for this many months, and sometimes due to
00:45:27 --> 00:45:31 drought, you can, you have to come off early or go on late or have less cows.
00:45:31 --> 00:45:36 So the, and I don't get make that decision the government does, which
00:45:36 --> 00:45:40 is good, you know, we should cha graze differently in different times of year.
00:45:40 --> 00:45:43 So that's, that's kind of how that works.
00:45:43 --> 00:45:47 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Now when your, your cows go to those grazing permits,
00:45:47 --> 00:45:50 are they your cows isolated from everyone
00:45:50 --> 00:45:51 else's cows, or are
00:45:51 --> 00:45:52 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: all run together.
00:45:52 --> 00:45:54 They all run together.
00:45:54 --> 00:45:55 So, yep.
00:45:55 --> 00:45:59 You just, your cows, you take 'em up and you probably, you take 'em up there.
00:45:59 --> 00:46:03 And by the end, the last, so about the 15th October, we all start
00:46:03 --> 00:46:07 gathering cows and we just bring everyone's in and my cows are
00:46:07 --> 00:46:09 co-mingled with someone else's cows.
00:46:09 --> 00:46:10 So
00:46:10 --> 00:46:11 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yes.
00:46:11 --> 00:46:14 So how does that affect your breeding?
00:46:14 --> 00:46:15 Because
00:46:15 --> 00:46:21 that means you've got six months there that what potential is
00:46:21 --> 00:46:22 other bulls are in there and
00:46:22 --> 00:46:23 stuff.
00:46:23 --> 00:46:24 How do you manage your breeding so that you
00:46:24 --> 00:46:27 can get the type of animal you
00:46:27 --> 00:46:28 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: that's a great question.
00:46:28 --> 00:46:31 And that's my biggest paradigm that I cannot get over Cal.
00:46:31 --> 00:46:33 I want to calve later.
00:46:33 --> 00:46:39 I really do, but I don't want to cal with everyone else's bulls and
00:46:40 --> 00:46:40 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right?
00:46:40 --> 00:46:42 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: you know, if you know what I'm saying.
00:46:43 --> 00:46:46 And so, like on my purebred cows, I try to take, breed 'em
00:46:46 --> 00:46:50 45 days before, give 'em 45 days.
00:46:50 --> 00:46:53 And then anything after that's just gonna be cold or sold, I
00:46:53 --> 00:46:57 won't keep half her or anything on my, on my commercial herded cows.
00:46:57 --> 00:47:03 I just, I let the bulls be with them for like the first 21 days.
00:47:03 --> 00:47:04 So one cycle.
00:47:04 --> 00:47:07 And I'll try to keep heifers out of that group 'cause
00:47:07 --> 00:47:09 they're the first ones to cycle.
00:47:09 --> 00:47:12 But that gives me the paradigm that I'm now calving in
00:47:12 --> 00:47:14 February, which is not the best.
00:47:14 --> 00:47:18 I would love to get outta that, but I can't wrap my head
00:47:18 --> 00:47:19 around just taking it up there.
00:47:19 --> 00:47:23 And I really think that doing the right genetics makes a
00:47:23 --> 00:47:24 big difference in our country.
00:47:25 --> 00:47:27 And so there's my biggest paradigm.
00:47:27 --> 00:47:31 So you just brought out my biggest paradigm that I wish I could fix and I
00:47:31 --> 00:47:32 could just find the easy way to do it.
00:47:32 --> 00:47:34 And I really just don't know what to do.
00:47:34 --> 00:47:37 And you might find it 'cause you're not stuck in my head.
00:47:37 --> 00:47:37 So.
00:47:38 --> 00:47:41 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: but, but I, I do see that problem because.
00:47:41 --> 00:47:46 To the right time of breeding, if you're going to Kev later is gonna be right
00:47:46 --> 00:47:48 in the middle of those six months.
00:47:48 --> 00:47:49 So
00:47:49 --> 00:47:51 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: no one and no, and everyone else wants
00:47:51 --> 00:47:55 to, in my area, everyone calves in December, that's when everyone calves,
00:47:55 --> 00:47:56 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: oh yes.
00:47:56 --> 00:47:57 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: we don't have harsh
00:47:57 --> 00:47:59 winters like North Dakota.
00:47:59 --> 00:48:00 And so it works.
00:48:00 --> 00:48:01 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:48:01 --> 00:48:03 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: of the, the amount of money it
00:48:03 --> 00:48:04 costs to feed a cow through there.
00:48:04 --> 00:48:09 So we used to have in December, we've now moved back to February
00:48:09 --> 00:48:12 because that's about the time the cows go on the mountain.
00:48:12 --> 00:48:13 They're gonna be at the bowl.
00:48:13 --> 00:48:15 Like, it's just, that's just how it's gonna be.
00:48:15 --> 00:48:17 There's gonna be bulls up there, so they're gonna get bred.
00:48:18 --> 00:48:22 So that's what I've moved it back as far as I can, that I can think of.
00:48:22 --> 00:48:22 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh
00:48:23 --> 00:48:25 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: unless I could keep my cow separately,
00:48:25 --> 00:48:27 but there's just no way to do that.
00:48:27 --> 00:48:28 I just have to deal.
00:48:28 --> 00:48:32 That's kind of my, you know, my cheat code is I get a grazed
00:48:32 --> 00:48:33 public land in the summer.
00:48:33 --> 00:48:37 My lack of cheat code is, I can't choose when I get a calve near as much
00:48:37 --> 00:48:41 as I wish I could cal in May or April.
00:48:41 --> 00:48:41 Right.
00:48:41 --> 00:48:42 You know, and I,
00:48:42 --> 00:48:44 it just, there's my paradigm.
00:48:44 --> 00:48:48 I, I, I wish I could get around it and I really can't.
00:48:49 --> 00:48:50 But I pushed him back.
00:48:50 --> 00:48:54 So last year was the first year we moved from December to February.
00:48:54 --> 00:48:54 I.
00:48:54 --> 00:48:59 It was awesome because my commercial herd of cows, I didn't feed 'em usually
00:48:59 --> 00:49:01 very common in my area to get home.
00:49:01 --> 00:49:06 In October, they graze some hay stubble until November.
00:49:06 --> 00:49:08 Then they've gotta start calving, so they bring 'em in, they feed 'em
00:49:08 --> 00:49:14 from November or about the end of November to the middle of may or June.
00:49:16 --> 00:49:20 I went on, I lease a lot of stubble, so alfalfa, stubble,
00:49:21 --> 00:49:23 corn stubble, grain stubble.
00:49:23 --> 00:49:25 Luckily I was not able on my commercial cows.
00:49:25 --> 00:49:31 I didn't feed a bell of hay until the 1st of March, which it was a big improvement
00:49:31 --> 00:49:33 'cause I used to be November, right.
00:49:33 --> 00:49:36 The end of November, I made that jump and it has been awesome.
00:49:36 --> 00:49:40 This year I, I leased a whole bunch of corn stalks and gr and
00:49:40 --> 00:49:42 I just caved my cows out on it.
00:49:42 --> 00:49:46 I, and most people in my area, that's not normal.
00:49:46 --> 00:49:50 They've got sheds and I just caved them out on the corn stalks and it was great.
00:49:51 --> 00:49:51 I.
00:49:51 --> 00:49:56 It's been one of the best changes from feeding all that time to
00:49:56 --> 00:49:59 just letting nature do its thing.
00:49:59 --> 00:50:03 And I wish I could get around my calving, so if you, if any of your
00:50:03 --> 00:50:06 listeners don't feel free, it won't hurt my feelings to gimme ideas.
00:50:07 --> 00:50:08 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: oh, yeah.
00:50:08 --> 00:50:09 Yeah.
00:50:09 --> 00:50:15 That is being able to extend a grazing season, like that's just
00:50:15 --> 00:50:17 really gonna help your pocketbook.
00:50:17 --> 00:50:17 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: tell me.
00:50:17 --> 00:50:17 Yeah.
00:50:18 --> 00:50:18 Yeah.
00:50:18 --> 00:50:19 It's, it's a big deal.
00:50:19 --> 00:50:24 'cause I, I raise, I can raise enough hay myself, but now I'm
00:50:24 --> 00:50:26 excited because we made that change.
00:50:26 --> 00:50:31 I am now, you know, alfalfa's king here in Utah and so usually
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33 get three cuttings where I live.
00:50:34 --> 00:50:37 I think most, for my third cutting this year, I am now just gonna
00:50:37 --> 00:50:39 be done with it and graze it.
00:50:39 --> 00:50:40 And so I'm
00:50:40 --> 00:50:43 gonna make less hay, which is gonna make me a lot of money,
00:50:43 --> 00:50:45 save me a lot of money on inputs.
00:50:45 --> 00:50:46 And it's also.
00:50:47 --> 00:50:49 And it's going to, like I said, that's one of those things my neighbors
00:50:49 --> 00:50:53 are gonna think I'm a weirdo, but I'm pretty excited to do that.
00:50:53 --> 00:50:56 I've also stopped doing as much alfalfa trying to get more to
00:50:56 --> 00:51:00 grasses because it holds over better than alfalfa through the winter
00:51:01 --> 00:51:01 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, yeah,
00:51:02 --> 00:51:03 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: than alfalfa does.
00:51:03 --> 00:51:03 So,
00:51:04 --> 00:51:05 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah.
00:51:06 --> 00:51:06 Well, very good.
00:51:06 --> 00:51:10 It, you know, we all have our unfair advantage and we all
00:51:10 --> 00:51:11 have our unfair disadvantage.
00:51:12 --> 00:51:12 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yes.
00:51:12 --> 00:51:12 I.
00:51:12 --> 00:51:13 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: just more fun to talk about the
00:51:13 --> 00:51:16 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I, I was just ta Yes, I was just
00:51:16 --> 00:51:19 talking to a friend in South Dakota and she said, every time I belly
00:51:19 --> 00:51:23 ache about something in my pasture, I remember Karson has to graze with
00:51:23 --> 00:51:27 other people and deal with that so and
00:51:27 --> 00:51:31 so, if we could, if we all decided we weren't gonna take bulls up,
00:51:31 --> 00:51:32 but that's just not gonna happen.
00:51:32 --> 00:51:33 You know, I
00:51:34 --> 00:51:34 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: right.
00:51:34 --> 00:51:37 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: like, we're in our grazing, we're trying
00:51:37 --> 00:51:41 to, I'm, we're trying to figure out should we use virtual fencing or not
00:51:41 --> 00:51:43 to kind of change grazing patterns.
00:51:43 --> 00:51:46 Getting 'em to decide that is a pain.
00:51:46 --> 00:51:49 So I could not imagine if I approached them with, I might
00:51:49 --> 00:51:51 get ran out with a pitchfork, so,
00:51:52 --> 00:51:52 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:51:52 --> 00:51:53 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So anyways.
00:51:54 --> 00:51:57 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: but virtual fencing would hold a lot of promise
00:51:58 --> 00:52:03 for managing animals on those grazing lands, on that extensive land.
00:52:03 --> 00:52:05 If they've got enough coverage that
00:52:06 --> 00:52:06 it can
00:52:06 --> 00:52:06 work in
00:52:06 --> 00:52:08 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And, and this, we, I think
00:52:08 --> 00:52:09 it would work out there.
00:52:09 --> 00:52:13 It's just, and we're going to, we're going to, it's, it's in the, it's on the table.
00:52:13 --> 00:52:17 We're trying to figure out how it works and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
00:52:17 --> 00:52:22 So it's on the table, but it's just, if it was me, I'd have it, but I've got eight
00:52:22 --> 00:52:26 other families that also have to agree with me that that's the right thing to do.
00:52:26 --> 00:52:27 So
00:52:27 --> 00:52:28 that makes it rough.
00:52:28 --> 00:52:32 But the, the cool thing is, is I get 'em control the cows most of the time.
00:52:33 --> 00:52:36 Half the time, you know, I get to control everything when they come back.
00:52:36 --> 00:52:38 And so that's my advantage.
00:52:38 --> 00:52:40 Oh, is I can do what I want when they come back.
00:52:40 --> 00:52:41 So.
00:52:42 --> 00:52:42 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
00:52:44 --> 00:52:48 Very interesting discussion on public land and like I mentioned at the first,
00:52:48 --> 00:52:50 I'm not knowledgeable about it at all.
00:52:52 --> 00:52:57 Before we switch gears and go to our overgrazing section, where do you see
00:52:57 --> 00:53:00 the future for Youer, for Rip Ranch?
00:53:00 --> 00:53:02 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I don't think our goal is to
00:53:02 --> 00:53:04 grow a lot bigger than we are.
00:53:04 --> 00:53:06 I think we're pretty content with the size.
00:53:06 --> 00:53:07 We grew this year.
00:53:07 --> 00:53:12 Like I said, we got more permits, so we were able to grow our capacity this year.
00:53:13 --> 00:53:19 My goal, what I really want is to find a way to extend my grazing.
00:53:19 --> 00:53:27 So that's my rough time of year is about March to May because that's when things
00:53:27 --> 00:53:33 are starting to green up, and I would love to have somewhere to go so I'm not out on.
00:53:34 --> 00:53:37 Because right now I've kind of got 'em in dry lot type things, feeding
00:53:37 --> 00:53:39 'em, which is not what I wanna do,
00:53:40 --> 00:53:40 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right.
00:53:40 --> 00:53:43 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: gotta, I we're cold enough.
00:53:43 --> 00:53:45 The grass isn't growing a lot, but it's growing enough.
00:53:45 --> 00:53:49 I don't want 'em grazing yet because there's not even enough start on it.
00:53:50 --> 00:53:52 So my goal would be to fix this.
00:53:52 --> 00:53:54 That problem, that's, that's what
00:53:54 --> 00:53:54 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh
00:53:54 --> 00:53:55 yeah.
00:53:55 --> 00:53:57 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: us to be more profitable is that
00:53:57 --> 00:53:58 section of time right there.
00:53:59 --> 00:54:03 I think if I can figure that out through leasing or buying some kind
00:54:03 --> 00:54:08 of spring grazing permit, something like that, that's my goal is to fix
00:54:08 --> 00:54:10 that, that time period on our ranch.
00:54:11 --> 00:54:13 That's what I would like to do.
00:54:13 --> 00:54:17 I think that'll, if we wanna be more profitable, numbers are
00:54:17 --> 00:54:19 not what I'm lacking right now.
00:54:19 --> 00:54:20 It's that time period.
00:54:21 --> 00:54:21 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh
00:54:21 --> 00:54:22 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I answered the, I hope I
00:54:22 --> 00:54:23 answered your question, Cal.
00:54:23 --> 00:54:24 So,
00:54:24 --> 00:54:24 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:54:25 --> 00:54:26 No, and, and that makes sense.
00:54:26 --> 00:54:27 Yeah.
00:54:27 --> 00:54:28 So, yeah.
00:54:28 --> 00:54:29 Very good.
00:54:31 --> 00:54:34 Let's transition to the overgrazing section and our over grazing
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00:55:35 --> 00:55:36 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: and, you know, Redmond.
00:55:37 --> 00:55:38 Let's see.
00:55:38 --> 00:55:39 You've been working there a few
00:55:39 --> 00:55:40 years.
00:55:40 --> 00:55:41 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Six years.
00:55:41 --> 00:55:43 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: So we get started with Redmond.
00:55:43 --> 00:55:45 Just let's introduce Redmond to our audience.
00:55:45 --> 00:55:48 Much better than our, our ads have been able to
00:55:48 --> 00:55:48 do.
00:55:48 --> 00:55:49 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Perfect.
00:55:49 --> 00:55:54 So, what Redmond is, is we are so where I said I live in the belly button of Utah.
00:55:54 --> 00:55:56 Now, you guys will never get that outta your heads.
00:55:57 --> 00:55:57 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Never.
00:55:58 --> 00:55:58 It stuck
00:55:58 --> 00:56:00 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: always gonna remember where Karson
00:56:00 --> 00:56:02 lives is the belly button of Utah.
00:56:02 --> 00:56:03 Right?
00:56:03 --> 00:56:05 Just 30 miles north of me.
00:56:05 --> 00:56:07 We have ancient sea.
00:56:08 --> 00:56:11 Mineral deposit, that's a salt deposit.
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15 And we've been mining salt there since about 1958.
00:56:16 --> 00:56:20 So, the cool part about it is the salt that comes from there
00:56:20 --> 00:56:21 has all the sea minerals in it.
00:56:22 --> 00:56:27 So the other cool part is the sea minerals are sequestered, so it's
00:56:27 --> 00:56:28 not like coming off the ocean.
00:56:29 --> 00:56:32 Most sea salt comes off the ocean and we don't have that.
00:56:32 --> 00:56:35 So we don't have any of the pollutants or anything that comes off the ocean.
00:56:35 --> 00:56:37 We're sequestered sea salt.
00:56:37 --> 00:56:42 And with that, we also have a really cool clay deposit that we sell product outta.
00:56:42 --> 00:56:42 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
00:56:44 --> 00:56:46 So what, so you provide those products.
00:56:47 --> 00:56:48 Is that the only thing Redmond provides?
00:56:49 --> 00:56:50 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: the, that's the base.
00:56:50 --> 00:56:54 You know, the base of all of our products is salt and clay.
00:56:55 --> 00:56:56 And we do a lot of different things.
00:56:56 --> 00:56:57 So we have human.
00:56:58 --> 00:57:02 People in not in agriculture laugh when I say human salt because they're like,
00:57:02 --> 00:57:04 well, what other kind of salt is there?
00:57:04 --> 00:57:07 But we have table salt, right?
00:57:07 --> 00:57:11 We have electrolyte drinks we have hunting rock.
00:57:11 --> 00:57:14 So if you've ever been to bass pro shops, Cabella's, and you've
00:57:14 --> 00:57:18 seen trophy rock, that's Redmond that comes from the same mine as
00:57:18 --> 00:57:19 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: oh yes.
00:57:19 --> 00:57:19 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Salt.
00:57:19 --> 00:57:19 Yep.
00:57:19 --> 00:57:21 So that's in tractor supply.
00:57:21 --> 00:57:23 We have equine rocks.
00:57:23 --> 00:57:26 So yeah, those, that's the base of all our products.
00:57:27 --> 00:57:31 The thing that makes it unique compared to other, other companies
00:57:31 --> 00:57:35 that are selling salt and mineral is that we are unrefined sea salt.
00:57:36 --> 00:57:38 That it's sequestered sea salt.
00:57:38 --> 00:57:41 The other cool thing that I don't, a lot of other companies
00:57:41 --> 00:57:43 will have sea salts and things.
00:57:43 --> 00:57:48 We also have some people with expertise at Redmond, so we can help with your farm
00:57:48 --> 00:57:49 and actually help with that kind of stuff.
00:57:50 --> 00:57:52 And we have, we have other mineral mixes.
00:57:52 --> 00:57:56 So like on agriculture side, it's not just our salt, we could put, we put
00:57:56 --> 00:57:58 garlic in the salt for fly control.
00:57:59 --> 00:58:04 We have a mineral mix for goats and sheep and beef cows and we can
00:58:04 --> 00:58:05 add minerals for whatever you need.
00:58:06 --> 00:58:10 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: So let's go with the Redmond salt, just to get
00:58:10 --> 00:58:11 started with that.
00:58:11 --> 00:58:14 It's got minerals in it, trace minerals in it because you're
00:58:14 --> 00:58:17 harvesting it from that ancient sea.
00:58:17 --> 00:58:20 Are you feeding anything else to your cows besides the Redmond salt?
00:58:21 --> 00:58:21 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: no.
00:58:21 --> 00:58:25 So I, I used to, back when I worked at the co-op, you know,
00:58:25 --> 00:58:27 I was the smartest guy around.
00:58:27 --> 00:58:32 I had this like $60 bag mineral that was gonna make me a fortune and it never did.
00:58:33 --> 00:58:38 So I didn't, but yeah, so my cows, they get Redmond salt all year round.
00:58:38 --> 00:58:40 That's their only supplement.
00:58:40 --> 00:58:42 I do, I do.
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44 I will tell you I have a cheat code that I live by there.
00:58:44 --> 00:58:49 So if there's ever a broken bag, I sometimes get the beef mineral mix or
00:58:49 --> 00:58:50 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, he
00:58:50 --> 00:58:51 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: you know, if there's ever a broken bag.
00:58:51 --> 00:58:53 Sometimes I get one of those.
00:58:53 --> 00:58:53 But yeah, the
00:58:54 --> 00:58:55 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: there's another advantage
00:58:55 --> 00:58:56 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: my other unfair advantage.
00:58:57 --> 00:59:02 But the, yes, so Redmond salt's, my supplement, I do add the,
00:59:02 --> 00:59:03 the clay, the conditioner.
00:59:03 --> 00:59:07 I do add that during the summer or the winter time, but that's
00:59:07 --> 00:59:09 what my cows are supplemented.
00:59:10 --> 00:59:12 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: And why do you add the, the clay
00:59:12 --> 00:59:13 or the conditioner during
00:59:13 --> 00:59:14 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: there's a couple things.
00:59:15 --> 00:59:17 If I could year round, I would, but like I said, I don't have
00:59:17 --> 00:59:19 full control of what happens.
00:59:19 --> 00:59:20 Happens six months a year now.
00:59:20 --> 00:59:21 Yes.
00:59:21 --> 00:59:23 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right, and you don't wanna provide it for
00:59:23 --> 00:59:23 everyone
00:59:23 --> 00:59:25 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Well, and it takes a little work 'cause
00:59:25 --> 00:59:26 you can't feed it just free choice.
00:59:26 --> 00:59:28 You gotta mix it with the salt.
00:59:28 --> 00:59:29 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, okay.
00:59:29 --> 00:59:30 Yeah.
00:59:30 --> 00:59:33 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: salt, one part conditioner or you can
00:59:33 --> 00:59:37 do, like Steve Campbell recommends you do the enticer to get 'em eat more.
00:59:37 --> 00:59:39 But if you're not able to do that, the three part salt, one
00:59:39 --> 00:59:41 part conditioner is, is great.
00:59:42 --> 00:59:45 So the things that it does is, is a natural toxin binder, which
00:59:46 --> 00:59:49 is really cool and it binds all sorts of different toxins.
00:59:50 --> 00:59:53 I've seen research where it helps with lark spur, which only happens in high.
00:59:54 --> 00:59:55 This will mean nothing to you.
00:59:55 --> 00:59:58 But if you graze in high altitude, it's a poisonous plant
00:59:58 --> 01:00:00 and high altitude, I've seen
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04 results that it will actually help with that toxicity AFA
01:00:04 --> 01:00:05 toxins, anything like that.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:08 So when I'm grazing corn, I definitely want it because it
01:00:08 --> 01:00:10 will also, it'll bind toxins.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:15 It'll also buffer the rumen so it's buffers just as good
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 or even better than bicarb.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:20 And the other thing is it also is chuck full of minerals of really
01:00:20 --> 01:00:24 bioavailable vi bioavailable minerals.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:25 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:30 So, so if you're grazing a high percentage alfalfa or a high percentage
01:00:30 --> 01:00:32 legume, that conditioner's going to
01:00:32 --> 01:00:33 help in those
01:00:33 --> 01:00:33 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: oh, yeah.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:34 Yeah.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:37 And, and we've also seen cool results on feed efficiency, things like
01:00:37 --> 01:00:39 that because of the conditioner.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:39 So,
01:00:41 --> 01:00:41 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:45 Karson, I'm thinking where do I want to go with
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: well, would you like me to tell, tell
01:00:48 --> 01:00:52 people why maybe our philosophy's different than the industry?
01:00:52 --> 01:00:53 Would that be interesting to you?
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 Maybe
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I do think it would be yes, because
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57 I, I think it's important.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:58 I.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:02 Just as we do business with anyone to understand where they're coming
01:01:02 --> 01:01:07 from and support the businesses that, that have like-minded missions
01:01:07 --> 01:01:08 of ourselves.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:11 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So I, I think the, the couple things
01:01:11 --> 01:01:17 to understand about Redmond that makes us unique is first we live this life.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:17 I.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:22 So our owner, the owner of Redmond, is really passionate about human
01:01:22 --> 01:01:24 health, regenerative agriculture.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:28 We have a raw milk dairy right near our mine where we sell raw milk,
01:01:28 --> 01:01:33 and we're trying our best to do it in the cleanest, most natural way.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:36 We just planted a bunch of pasture to turn the cows out on more pasture.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:40 So we're, we're literally grazing grass at Redmond and we're trying to do more and
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42 more of it, which I think is really cool.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:47 The other thing is, I think our philosophy on supplementation is different.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:52 The industry standard, I don't know if you ever heard of the term NRC Cal.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:52 You probably
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yes, I have.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:54 Yeah.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So for someone who doesn't know,
01:01:55 --> 01:01:57 it's just what they tell you.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:01 Your animal needs to not be deficient or to be too much,
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I used to have a green book on my shelf
01:02:03 --> 01:02:05 that had all the requirements
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: you enjoy to read that, you're a sicko.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:08 That's what I think.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:10 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah, right.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:10 Yeah.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:10 Yeah.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:13 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: but the NRC gives you requirement.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:16 Most mineral supplementation companies.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:21 They're, they're gonna give zero credit to what's in your forage, and they're
01:02:21 --> 01:02:23 gonna supplement it a hundred percent.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:24 NRC.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:27 If you actually watch cows and you know, nutrition, you'll
01:02:27 --> 01:02:29 know that that's not true.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:33 They're actually gonna get more than more minerals from their
01:02:33 --> 01:02:35 grass than any supplement.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:38 'cause supplements are not super bioavailable.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:40 They, they're expensive.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:45 So our philosophies, we don't try to get it a hundred percent NRC, we try
01:02:45 --> 01:02:50 to let nature do its job which is first you have good, healthy grass.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:53 You're gonna have, you're gonna need a supplement less mineral.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:57 That's just, that's a thing that we are really, we think.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:01 And the other one is we like to use nature's products, which is our salt.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:03 It's got 60 plus minerals in it.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:06 A cow doesn't need supplemented only 15 minerals.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:11 You know, there's more than 15 minerals in a cow's blood, just like your blood.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:11 If you ever.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:15 Think of that, that's an interesting paradigm that we supplement 15
01:03:15 --> 01:03:19 minerals and you look at our blood, there's a lot more than that.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:19 So,
01:03:20 --> 01:03:20 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:23 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so we've seen really cool results with that.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:28 We've seen we've done studies at Montana State where we gave them white salt
01:03:28 --> 01:03:33 and then gave them Redmond salt that cows, and they were in the same pasture.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:36 The cows that had Redmond salt, their calves gained 23 extra pounds.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:41 I'm not saying that happens every time, so don't any of you listeners think that
01:03:41 --> 01:03:45 you're gonna put this out and get, but what it tells me is there's something
01:03:45 --> 01:03:46 different, and you might see it,
01:03:47 --> 01:03:48 you might see it as less pink eye.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:51 You might see it as left less foot rot.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:57 You might see it in a lot of different ways, but to me feeding, replacing white
01:03:57 --> 01:04:01 salt with Redmond salt is like taking, you know, the reason we supplement
01:04:01 --> 01:04:06 salt is it's the most deficient mineral in our animal's diet all the time.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:09 If you look at your grass forage quality, you're always gonna be
01:04:09 --> 01:04:11 short on sodium and chloride.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:17 Most of the time, I'd say 95% of what I look at is, but but the difference is
01:04:17 --> 01:04:21 like, if, if you were short on iron and I gave you an iron pill and I ate a steak
01:04:21 --> 01:04:24 to get my iron, which one is better off?
01:04:24 --> 01:04:28 It's the one that's nature made and I didn't try to, to replicate.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:30 So we're not trying to be smarter than nature.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:33 We just know that our products work and are clean.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:37 Any other context that would help Cal with that?
01:04:38 --> 01:04:39 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I, I, I think that's great.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42 I think, I don't know enough about minerals.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:45 I know when you start talking about Fred Pro's
01:04:46 --> 01:04:48 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Nourishment book.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:48 Provenza.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:49 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:53 Provenza get all those constant consonants in the right
01:04:54 --> 01:04:55 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: It's tough with his name.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:55 Yeah.
01:04:56 --> 01:04:56 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:57 They.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:03 He talks about animals going and able to do some selective grazing based upon their
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 needs, which speaks to that, that we don't have to be providing
01:05:07 --> 01:05:14 everything to them, but we can provide what a certain amount or what they
01:05:14 --> 01:05:15 need.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:20 I'm, I'm excited because we're gonna start using Redmond Salt here, and I
01:05:20 --> 01:05:25 know over the years our mineral program has been lacking, and when I say that,
01:05:25 --> 01:05:30 it's because I didn't have mineral out there or then I get it out there.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:35 So I, I'm excited to, to start using Redmond Salt here and see how it works for
01:05:35 --> 01:05:35 us.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:36 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: and it's interesting.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:41 People will, people who are probably more in the mainstream feed industry
01:05:41 --> 01:05:46 would say, oh my goodness, you are going to cause so many problems.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:50 Cow, if you take away this mineral that's chelated and balanced by our
01:05:50 --> 01:05:54 nutritious, your cows are just going, their teats are gonna turn purple.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:56 They might just all fall over dead.
01:05:56 --> 01:05:58 It, it's, it's crazy.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00 There's a lot of fear around mineral.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:01 I think you're right.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:03 Like people don't understand it.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:03 It's,
01:06:04 --> 01:06:04 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Right.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:07 I, I have to admit, I don't
01:06:07 --> 01:06:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And the, the thing is, is you're right,
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14 I've seen that cows are way better at meeting their needs on a pasture.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:18 If you have a diverse pasture, like if you're grazing right, and you have
01:06:18 --> 01:06:22 a diverse pasture, I would say you could put Redmond 10 fine out and
01:06:22 --> 01:06:25 that could be your mineral program and you will have zero problems.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:31 Sometimes you might need to supplement more because you have lacking forage.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:32 That's fine.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:34 And we do, we do supplement.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:37 We have Selenium 90, which has some added traces and added
01:06:37 --> 01:06:40 selenium or, or beef mineral mix.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:41 And those are fine.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:45 I'm not saying you shouldn't use something with added, but the goal,
01:06:45 --> 01:06:47 the goal should be get your grass good.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49 And so that all you need to do is supplement some salt
01:06:50 --> 01:06:51 and some trace minerals to it.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:56 It doesn't, I think that the feed industry has made us so scared of
01:06:56 --> 01:07:01 minerals and we shouldn't be your, your cows will tell the whole story.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 Look at your cows.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:05 Like, if you're not having problems, why are we so scared of it?
01:07:06 --> 01:07:06 You know?
01:07:07 --> 01:07:07 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, right.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 Yeah.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So you say your minerals lacking.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:12 And I, in my head, I'm like, well, cow, what problems are you
01:07:12 --> 01:07:14 having on your, on your cow herd?
01:07:14 --> 01:07:15 Right.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:16 And
01:07:16 --> 01:07:16 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I, I, I'll, I'll give a good example.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:25 I had a rancher from, from Dylan Montana call, and he said, I need some mineral,
01:07:25 --> 01:07:28 but man, I am so low on phosphorus.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:30 Just I, and I said, how do you know you're low?
01:07:30 --> 01:07:33 Oh, Yvette told us years ago, and everyone knows this area
01:07:33 --> 01:07:35 is really low in phosphorus.
01:07:36 --> 01:07:39 So I actually had him, I said, I would love, I said, do you have
01:07:39 --> 01:07:41 phosphorus deficient problems?
01:07:41 --> 01:07:41 No.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:42 No.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:43 So I named him.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 He didn't have any.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:47 We went back and he sent me his forage test.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:48 I looked.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:51 He actually had excess phosphorus in his
01:07:51 --> 01:07:51 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yes.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:54 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So, and if, you know, phosphorus
01:07:54 --> 01:07:57 is like the most, one of the most expense, you know, it's expensive to,
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
01:07:58 --> 01:07:58 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: add, in there.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:01 So I just, we took it out of his mineral.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:04 He, he'll call me once a year when he is gonna order his salt and
01:08:04 --> 01:08:08 tell me how much money I save him and how much he's happy with me.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:12 You know, because he, he thought he was so scared if he didn't feed like
01:08:12 --> 01:08:18 a 15% phos mineral, his cows would just, just fall apart and he's not
01:08:18 --> 01:08:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:22 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So I, you, I think if you don't know
01:08:22 --> 01:08:26 cow, I'd say you need to test your forage, have someone look at it and
01:08:26 --> 01:08:28 compare it to what the NRC values are.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:32 And if you need someone to do that, I will do that.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:35 I'll even show you what you want, but I think that's the first step.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38 If you're just like, I don't know what to do and I don't know what I'm
01:08:38 --> 01:08:42 deficient in, you can always forage sample and that'll give you a best,
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:44 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: because no one's going
01:08:44 --> 01:08:45 to actually liver biopsy.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:47 I, I've given up on that.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:50 That would, you know, no one's gonna go liver biopsy their cows.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:51 So take a example.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:51 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: You are
01:08:52 --> 01:08:54 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: It'll give you a good, good guess.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:54 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:08:55 --> 01:08:58 So, so the, the first step in that is to get a forage sample,
01:08:58 --> 01:09:01 figure out what you're growing
01:09:01 --> 01:09:04 here, and, and that'll help you
01:09:04 --> 01:09:06 fine tune what you are in
01:09:06 --> 01:09:06 need of
01:09:07 --> 01:09:09 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So if you're worried, oh, I, you
01:09:09 --> 01:09:12 know, if you're worried, I think we're low in this, I don't know.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:16 Just take a forage sample, send it, send it in, get the results.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:20 You can call me or someone even smarter than me at Redmond, which there's a whole
01:09:20 --> 01:09:24 bunch of us, and I will look through it and I'll tell you, and I'll even show
01:09:24 --> 01:09:25 you the calculator that I put it in.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:28 I'd even share the calculator if they wanted.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:32 And so you could enter it in and you could see where you're at and where
01:09:32 --> 01:09:33 you're excess and where you're not.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:40 I personally think Cal people, overfeed, mineral, I think
01:09:40 --> 01:09:41 they over supplement Mineral.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:44 I, I'll give you a, a good clue to this.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:50 I went to a class and they, they showed the 20% of people who make the most money,
01:09:50 --> 01:09:54 the second, the most money, the most middle, then all the way down to the 20,
01:09:54 --> 01:09:57 the 20% lowest profitable on their ranch.
01:09:57 --> 01:09:57 Okay?
01:09:57 --> 01:10:00 And they did this across the whole United States, off all this
01:10:00 --> 01:10:02 data that was sub in, sent in.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:04 I, I was shocked.
01:10:04 --> 01:10:08 The ones who made the most money, they spent the least amount on mineral.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:11 They spent the least amount on all these different things.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:16 But the mineral one surprised me, but not really because I've seen people
01:10:16 --> 01:10:21 who have switched from expensive like me, Karson, I'll tell you Karson story.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:26 I switched from a $45 or whatever bag of mineral to buying Redmond salt.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:29 And I've had better breed up.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:35 I've had less pink eye and less problems, and I spend a fraction of what I did.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:39 I, I would, because we're so good at getting sold to, I think more
01:10:39 --> 01:10:43 people over supplement mineral than are deficient in mineral.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:46 If I was to supplement one thing, it would be salt.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:48 And that's not just 'cause I sell salt.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:52 I really think, I think you would take care of a lot of issues if your,
01:10:52 --> 01:10:54 if your main supplement was salt.
01:10:55 --> 01:10:55 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah.
01:10:56 --> 01:10:56 Does.
01:10:57 --> 01:11:00 You know, I've heard this said numerous times that Americans
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 have the most expensive urine
01:11:03 --> 01:11:08 because of the vitamins we take and, and I'm pretty guilty of
01:11:08 --> 01:11:11 that because I take a handful of vitamins I think I need to take every
01:11:11 --> 01:11:12 morning, so,
01:11:12 --> 01:11:12 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Right.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:17 Yeah, I, I would, I would agree and I think a good, a good practice Cal
01:11:17 --> 01:11:19 to, to wonder where I'm at on that.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:24 If you look at your feed bag, the cool thing about feed bags is the mineral
01:11:24 --> 01:11:26 with the mo on, on your mineral bag.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:30 Look at the order of pro ingredients.
01:11:30 --> 01:11:34 The thing that has the most in it is going to be at the very start.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:34 Okay.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:38 Look at your feedback and see usually number two or three is
01:11:38 --> 01:11:43 gonna be a gain gain by product or DDG, or molasses or something.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:44 So that tells me
01:11:45 --> 01:11:46 that's, that's fascinating.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:49 That would be the third most included ingredient in my mineral
01:11:50 --> 01:11:53 that's telling me that a cow naturally wouldn't select that I.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:56 So that tells you a lot about that?
01:11:56 --> 01:11:57 I think
01:11:57 --> 01:11:58 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh
01:11:58 --> 01:12:00 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I think people cause a little
01:12:00 --> 01:12:03 saying from Fred Provenza, if you've read his book, nourishment.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:04 Have you read that?
01:12:04 --> 01:12:04 Cal?
01:12:05 --> 01:12:07 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I, I have to say that's one on my
01:12:07 --> 01:12:08 shelf that I haven't
01:12:08 --> 01:12:08 read.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:09 Is there an audio
01:12:09 --> 01:12:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: there.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:11 It's, there is an audio book.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:14 So you are now, it's now on your list
01:12:15 --> 01:12:15 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:18 Well, because I just finished man Cattle and Vil
01:12:18 --> 01:12:21 or ve because you had said, Hey, there's audio book for
01:12:21 --> 01:12:23 that, and I was like, oh, okay.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:23 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: for nourishment.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:27 I waited and waited and it finally came out and you need to listen to it.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:31 But he, he says a quote, and I will misquote it because I am not
01:12:31 --> 01:12:35 very good at quoting things, but he said, everything's a poison.
01:12:35 --> 01:12:37 The only thing that makes it a poison is the, that makes
01:12:37 --> 01:12:39 it not a poison is the dose.
01:12:39 --> 01:12:42 And that means too much and too little.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:45 You know, everyone talks about selenium.
01:12:45 --> 01:12:49 Selenium is extremely toxic in large amounts.
01:12:50 --> 01:12:51 In the right amount.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:53 It's really, really vital.
01:12:53 --> 01:12:58 So it, you think about that, I think we can all put their such thing as
01:12:58 --> 01:13:02 too much mineral and I think we are on the verge of it more than we're on the
01:13:02 --> 01:13:07 verge of not enough mineral because of we are consumers as Americans.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:07 Right?
01:13:07 --> 01:13:08 You talk about that
01:13:09 --> 01:13:12 we are consumers and we want to be good cattlemen and we want, so we
01:13:12 --> 01:13:16 think the better, the more money we spend, the better off we are.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:18 And I don't think that's always the case.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:23 I think the more balanced with nature we are, the better off we are.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:28 You know, we, we we're, especially in your community, I, I would assume most
01:13:28 --> 01:13:32 people would, would know that fertilizer is not always great for the land.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:33 Right.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:38 And I would say I don't always think heavy minerals good for our
01:13:38 --> 01:13:42 cattle in the same way that you wouldn't go put tons of urea on.
01:13:42 --> 01:13:46 I'd be careful about putting tons of calcium and foss in my cows.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:51 So, and I know it's gonna make more PE that might make people confused, but
01:13:51 --> 01:13:56 they're, I would love to talk to anyone who wants to have that discussion on
01:13:56 --> 01:13:58 what their program could look like.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:03 And by just looking at forage samples, things like that, it's not gonna be
01:14:03 --> 01:14:07 perfect, but we could, we can get a lot closer that way and actually see.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:09 Are there any holes?
01:14:10 --> 01:14:10 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:11 Very good.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:17 Before we move off of Redmond, where do people, where can you buy
01:14:17 --> 01:14:19 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So that's a great question.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:25 And, and like you said, it can, depending on where you live, it's easier or harder.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:30 If you live in the Great Plains like Nebraska, Montana, South
01:14:30 --> 01:14:33 Dakota, North Dakota, it's so easy.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:36 You, you just go on our website, redmond agriculture.com,
01:14:36 --> 01:14:39 find a store, put your zip code in and it'll, it'll be at the store.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:41 'cause there's lots of cows there.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:43 It's really easy for us to get it to you.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:47 If you live somewhere else, I'd say that's your first step is to go to
01:14:47 --> 01:14:51 that or just call us at Redmond and I'll get, I'll get you a hold of
01:14:51 --> 01:14:54 someone, we'll get you a hold of someone who will get you product found.
01:14:55 --> 01:14:59 Like Cal wanted some, he called, he said, Hey, I want some, I just got
01:14:59 --> 01:15:01 Duke that knows the area to call him.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:02 Duke found him some.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:03 It works out really slick.
01:15:04 --> 01:15:08 So if you don't know and the locator's not, you know, you don't find anyone
01:15:08 --> 01:15:09 on there, we will get you product.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:11 Just call us, we'll help you find it.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:16 If it that's anywhere from, you want a five pound bag up to, I
01:15:16 --> 01:15:19 want a semi load, we can help you figure out where to get it.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:22 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, very good, very good.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:27 And I know from my area where I am getting it was on the locator, but I'm like,
01:15:27 --> 01:15:30 I've never seen Redmond there, so I was
01:15:30 --> 01:15:32 like, I buy mineral
01:15:32 --> 01:15:36 there, but I, I've never, and I hadn't asked or anything, so that's,
01:15:37 --> 01:15:38 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And if it's on the locator, and
01:15:38 --> 01:15:41 if you go in there, the best to say most of 'em might not stock.
01:15:41 --> 01:15:45 Not everyone's gonna stock it, but they'll always be able to get it in.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:47 You just might have to wait one week.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:48 So you might have to plan a little
01:15:48 --> 01:15:48 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:49 Yeah.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:50 Very good.
01:15:51 --> 01:15:55 Well, we appreciate that, that overview and talking about minerals,
01:15:55 --> 01:15:57 talking about Redmond, Karson, is there anything else you'd like to
01:15:57 --> 01:15:59 add before we go to the famous four?
01:16:00 --> 01:16:01 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I don't, I don't think so.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:05 I just think if we just change our mindset on mineral supplementation
01:16:05 --> 01:16:09 the same way we've changed it on soil supplementation, I think that would
01:16:09 --> 01:16:14 be really beneficial for a lot of us to think, do I need to add all this?
01:16:14 --> 01:16:18 Or does nature have pretty good cycles in a pretty good way of taking care of this?
01:16:19 --> 01:16:21 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I, I ha I like that analogy.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:23 I do.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:27 And, and that's one of those things we're propping up animals possibly that we
01:16:27 --> 01:16:30 could be selecting for more productive
01:16:30 --> 01:16:31 animals.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:35 Well, Karson, it's time for our famous four questions.
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01:17:40 --> 01:17:42 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Same four questions we ask of all of our guests.
01:17:42 --> 01:17:46 . So our first question, Karson, what is your favorite grazing
01:17:46 --> 01:17:48 grass related book or resource?
01:17:49 --> 01:17:50 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: You're gonna put me through the ringer
01:17:50 --> 01:17:55 on this because if you know me, I am like an encyclopedia of things.
01:17:55 --> 01:17:57 You should listen to anyone who meets me.
01:17:57 --> 01:17:59 I give them a list of things.
01:17:59 --> 01:18:03 My, the, the most impactful to me was man cattle.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:05 And I can't, I hate saying it.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:08 Ve felt whatever you want to call it, Johann.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:09 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: yeah, I, I'm not
01:18:09 --> 01:18:09 exactly
01:18:10 --> 01:18:11 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: me either, but Johann
01:18:11 --> 01:18:13 Zeman, that is number one.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:16 Number two, dirt to Soil by Gabe Brown.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:17 Those are my two favorites.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, yeah.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:20 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: That, that's like the Bible
01:18:20 --> 01:18:22 for that, in my opinion.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:24 Those two books right there, those are the two you need.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:28 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Our second question, what's your
01:18:28 --> 01:18:29 favorite tool for the farm?
01:18:30 --> 01:18:31 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I thought of this, I,
01:18:31 --> 01:18:33 I'm not a big tool guy.
01:18:34 --> 01:18:37 I would, I would say my earphones, but I've heard that too much
01:18:37 --> 01:18:41 because my earphones are my favorite, one of my favorite tools.
01:18:41 --> 01:18:42 I'll say something different.
01:18:42 --> 01:18:46 My favorite tool is my horse because it's real and it's gonna be different
01:18:46 --> 01:18:52 for, because I live where I do in a big country, it's really allowed me to do a
01:18:52 --> 01:18:57 different things like graze places that don't have loading corrals or facility.
01:18:58 --> 01:19:02 So my horse has really allowed me, I think, to be, to do things that were,
01:19:03 --> 01:19:06 get me some leases or something that were a little difficult for other people.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:07 So I'd say my horse
01:19:08 --> 01:19:08 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah.
01:19:09 --> 01:19:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: and her name's Juanita.
01:19:10 --> 01:19:11 So it's Juanita.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:12 Yeah.
01:19:12 --> 01:19:14 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: How did how'd she get that name?
01:19:14 --> 01:19:14 I
01:19:14 --> 01:19:16 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: so great.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:17 It's a great question.
01:19:17 --> 01:19:21 I, I just love, I don't know, I love Spanish names for horses.
01:19:21 --> 01:19:22 So my,
01:19:22 --> 01:19:23 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: oh, yes.
01:19:23 --> 01:19:25 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: when I was in high school, I broke a horse
01:19:25 --> 01:19:29 and I named him, I don't know if you ever watched Young Guns that show Young Guns.
01:19:29 --> 01:19:31 I named my Horse Chavez.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:35 And so my dad used to always tell me he was going to like, he'd go
01:19:35 --> 01:19:37 like, you need to go catch Jose.
01:19:37 --> 01:19:39 And I'd say, no, it's Chavez.
01:19:39 --> 01:19:40 You know, so
01:19:41 --> 01:19:41 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:42 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: it started.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:45 And I always named my horse Spanish names.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:46 That's just why.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:49 And so Juanita was on the list that I wanted.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:52 I think her name when I bought her was something like
01:19:53 --> 01:19:55 Apache or something like that.
01:19:55 --> 01:19:56 And it didn't fit.
01:19:56 --> 01:20:00 Juanita's very fitting in that if you ever watch my YouTube channel,
01:20:00 --> 01:20:04 you'll see she's got her great personality and I love Juanita.
01:20:04 --> 01:20:06 So I'd say Juanita's probably my favorite tool.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:08 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, very good.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:09 Very good.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:11 Very interesting about your names.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:14 It's always interesting where do people come up with their names for
01:20:14 --> 01:20:15 different
01:20:15 --> 01:20:16 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And, and I named my dogs
01:20:16 --> 01:20:18 after like an older person.
01:20:18 --> 01:20:21 So my dogs are named like Sue and I've had Bob,
01:20:22 --> 01:20:24 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: our third question, what would you tell
01:20:24 --> 01:20:26 someone just getting started?
01:20:26 --> 01:20:29 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I would say get good mentors.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:34 I think that probably is, and I, I left that out a little bit on my journey, but
01:20:34 --> 01:20:39 part of the reason I was able to start doing what we're doing is I, a guy named
01:20:39 --> 01:20:43 Chad, who's a good friend of mine, who I helped farm when I was growing up.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:48 Chad made it very possible for me because before I had stuff that I could
01:20:48 --> 01:20:52 use, Chad would let me use his krells or Chad let me borrow his tractor.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:53 I so.
01:20:54 --> 01:20:58 There's people, I'd say find you people that care about
01:20:58 --> 01:20:59 your success as much as you do.
01:20:59 --> 01:21:01 And that'd be Chad for me.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:03 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, very good.
01:21:03 --> 01:21:04 Yeah.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:07 And lastly, where can others find out more about you?
01:21:08 --> 01:21:10 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: So you can find out more about me.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:15 I have, you don't wanna follow my Facebook and my Instagram or just my personal one.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:16 And I'm not very exciting.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:18 I post once a year maybe.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:22 If you wanna watch me, I'm on the, the Ripp Ranch on YouTube.
01:21:22 --> 01:21:23 It's just the Ripp Ranch.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:27 As a caveat, my last name is Rippstein.
01:21:27 --> 01:21:29 We are not named after the Yellowstone character.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:31 Rip, just so everyone knows.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:33 Ever.
01:21:33 --> 01:21:35 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I should have asked that earlier
01:21:35 --> 01:21:36 because I knew your answer
01:21:36 --> 01:21:36 to that.
01:21:36 --> 01:21:36 I should have
01:21:36 --> 01:21:37 asked that earlier.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:39 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: the Yellowstone character.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:39 Rip.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:43 It's because Ripstein is you, you heard it at, at the Oakey
01:21:43 --> 01:21:45 homestead thing where I spoke.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:48 The guy said Karson Ripp, and he couldn't remember if it was Stein or Stein.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:50 So I've, we've taken that out.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:54 So it's just the Ripp Ranch and you can watch me there.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:58 You can also, you know, anyone's free to reach out to me on Redmond stuff.
01:21:58 --> 01:22:01 I feel just get ahold of the office.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:04 If you want to talk to Karson, you can, or whoever at the office.
01:22:04 --> 01:22:05 But you wanna talk to me that way?
01:22:05 --> 01:22:07 Just redmond agriculture.com.
01:22:07 --> 01:22:09 You can find all that information.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:11 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, very good.
01:22:11 --> 01:22:11 Very good.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:15 And to wrap this up, Karson, do you have a question for
01:22:15 --> 01:22:16 me?
01:22:17 --> 01:22:19 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I wanna know that's, I
01:22:19 --> 01:22:20 I'm interested in this.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:24 We, I asked you this at dinner, but I want to know if you're gonna
01:22:24 --> 01:22:28 test your bulls this year after we had our discussion at at dinner.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:34 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: I am planning to test them this year because
01:22:34 --> 01:22:36 I, I do think that's important.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:43 Now I feel a little bit, I also think I should test my Rams as
01:22:43 --> 01:22:44 well, but.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:49 I'm more likely to let that slide on the Rams than I am
01:22:49 --> 01:22:51 on the Bulls for some reason.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:53 But yeah, no, I think we will.
01:22:53 --> 01:22:58 And I say that I just gotta get it on the calendar call and schedule it and just do
01:22:58 --> 01:22:59 it.
01:22:59 --> 01:22:59 That's
01:23:00 --> 01:23:00 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: That was my question.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:04 I was curious if I changed your mind on that when I was quizzing you at dinner
01:23:04 --> 01:23:05 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: YY yeah.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:11 No, I, I really think, I, I do agree it's something we should do, because
01:23:12 --> 01:23:16 that's probably the most stressful time of the year to me, is that time
01:23:17 --> 01:23:19 between breeding and you get 'em
01:23:19 --> 01:23:20 preg checked
01:23:21 --> 01:23:21 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:21 You just
01:23:21 --> 01:23:24 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: because what if you preg check and they're all open?
01:23:25 --> 01:23:25 What if.
01:23:27 --> 01:23:31 And we do blood tests, so I'm able to preg check early, but they're still,
01:23:31 --> 01:23:34 you know, by the time you put the bull in there, you wanna give the
01:23:34 --> 01:23:36 last one that had opportunity a month.
01:23:37 --> 01:23:41 So you've got three months in there that you're just like, or for me, I'm
01:23:41 --> 01:23:42 like, well, I hope he is doing his job.
01:23:42 --> 01:23:45 I'm not seeing enough action out there.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:45 I'm not.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:48 So it would alleviate some stress by doing
01:23:48 --> 01:23:48 that.
01:23:49 --> 01:23:53 And I think it's, and the, the thing is it doesn't cost very
01:23:53 --> 01:23:53 much.
01:23:54 --> 01:23:55 It costs a little bit of time.
01:23:55 --> 01:23:56 It costs a few dollars.
01:23:56 --> 01:23:58 It's not expensive.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:01 But what happens if that bull is no
01:24:01 --> 01:24:04 good on the, then you gotta whole big
01:24:04 --> 01:24:05 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: I had a bull and he was
01:24:05 --> 01:24:07 my favorite bull, Cal.
01:24:07 --> 01:24:08 I was so proud of this bull.
01:24:08 --> 01:24:11 I got him on a good deal, which makes me like something more.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:15 And he was about four years old and I love this bull.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:18 I knew he would test and he didn't test and it was the most
01:24:18 --> 01:24:19 disappointing thing, but it.
01:24:19 --> 01:24:19 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh
01:24:20 --> 01:24:21 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: It was a good let, he, he
01:24:21 --> 01:24:22 just didn't have enough.
01:24:22 --> 01:24:24 He didn't, he was shooting pretty much blanks.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:28 I thought, I'm glad I didn't put him as my only bull with some group of cows or
01:24:28 --> 01:24:29 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh yeah,
01:24:29 --> 01:24:31 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: would've been really disappointed.
01:24:31 --> 01:24:35 So that was an okay question, but that was my question,
01:24:35 --> 01:24:36 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Oh, that was a great one.
01:24:37 --> 01:24:37 That was
01:24:38 --> 01:24:39 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: didn't mean to call you out.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:45 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: No, but you know, we have to share our failures and what
01:24:45 --> 01:24:50 we've gotta be transparent and honest with, with the audience here and life.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:52 I just think it's beneficial.
01:24:52 --> 01:24:57 And I would like to say I do everything the way you're supposed to, but you
01:24:57 --> 01:24:59 drive down the road in front of my house and you'll be like, no, he
01:24:59 --> 01:25:00 doesn't.
01:25:00 --> 01:25:00 I can tell.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:02 And that's truly the case.
01:25:02 --> 01:25:04 So we're all trying to get better
01:25:04 --> 01:25:04 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: Yeah.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:05 And that's okay, huh?
01:25:05 --> 01:25:06 But like,
01:25:06 --> 01:25:10 if we look at everyone and just know they're trying, it makes
01:25:10 --> 01:25:14 that whole, like I said, a sign of positive intent that just
01:25:14 --> 01:25:15 Yeah.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:16 Yeah.
01:25:16 --> 01:25:17 That's, that's
01:25:17 --> 01:25:18 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Yeah.
01:25:18 --> 01:25:20 Working with the tools we have,
01:25:20 --> 01:25:21 and we just
01:25:21 --> 01:25:22 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: And sometimes
01:25:22 --> 01:25:22 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: in our
01:25:23 --> 01:25:24 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: sometimes it's just not gonna be
01:25:24 --> 01:25:26 the way you wish you could do it.
01:25:26 --> 01:25:26 Right.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:28 I wish I could calve later.
01:25:28 --> 01:25:29 I just can't right now.
01:25:29 --> 01:25:30 So it just, yeah, it's
01:25:30 --> 01:25:32 what it's, and
01:25:32 --> 01:25:34 I will find it one day, so,
01:25:36 --> 01:25:38 cal_1_04-15-2025_173558: Well, Karson, we really appreciate
01:25:38 --> 01:25:39 you coming on and sharing today.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:40 karson-rippstein-_1_04-15-2025_163558: yep.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:43 Perfect.
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