What if you could transform your farming operation by improving efficiency and biosecurity, while also ensuring the health and productivity of your livestock? Join us as we welcome Wyatt Catron, a mobile food animal veterinarian, and Samantha Catron, a postdoc fellow at the University of Arkansas. Together, they share insights into the world of hair sheep farming and livestock health. Our conversation leads us to Paragon Ranch in Stillwater, Oklahoma, where we explore their innovative approach to raising low-input hair sheep with a focus on parasite resistance and maternal traits.
Our guests, Wyatt and Samantha, guide us through the journey of sheep breed selection and the importance of genetics in overcoming challenges like shearing and market demands. We discuss the benefits of hair sheep, delving into practical strategies to enhance flock quality and adaptability. Wyatt shares his international experiences, drawing fascinating comparisons between sheep farming practices in the United States and Australia. This discussion is enriched by insights into efficiency improvements, including innovative equipment and record-keeping that can optimize farm productivity.
As we delve deeper, the episode turns to the critical topic of farm biosecurity, offering practical advice on preventing disease spread. Wyatt and Samantha emphasize the significance of tailored biosecurity plans and the role veterinarians play in identifying potential blind spots. We also explore livestock health and reproduction management, focusing on the "four T's" for evaluating breeding animals. The episode concludes with a discussion on farm management and operational efficiency, showcasing the value of investing in the right equipment to streamline operations and maintain balance in the farming lifestyle.
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:03 On today's episode, we start out discussing hair sheep.
00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 And then we transitioned to biosecurity, which is a important
00:00:06 --> 00:00:08 topic for anyone out there.
00:00:09 --> 00:00:10 To really good listen.
00:00:10 --> 00:00:12 So let's get started with the fast five.
00:00:13 --> 00:00:14 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: what's your name?
00:00:15 --> 00:00:16 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I'm Wyatt Catron.
00:00:17 --> 00:00:19 I'm Samantha or Sam.
00:00:21 --> 00:00:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Which do you prefer, Samantha or
00:00:23 --> 00:00:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: It really doesn't matter to me.
00:00:25 --> 00:00:27 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, it's kind of like when my wife yells
00:00:27 --> 00:00:30 at me, it doesn't matter what she calls me, I'm going to come running.
00:00:31 --> 00:00:32 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: You're still in trouble either way.
00:00:32 --> 00:00:36 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, either way, if I can get by with her just using
00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 a little bit of my name, it's better than the whole name, but that's, yeah.
00:00:40 --> 00:00:41 What's your farm's name?
00:00:42 --> 00:00:43 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So it's Paragon Ranch.
00:00:43 --> 00:00:45 They're based out of Stillwater, Oklahoma.
00:00:45 --> 00:00:47 So that's where we've got the ewe flock.
00:00:48 --> 00:00:51 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Very good, and that answered our next question,
00:00:51 --> 00:00:53 where you, where's the farm located?
00:00:53 --> 00:00:53 Stillwater.
00:00:54 --> 00:00:57 What an, or sorry, I almost jumped ahead.
00:00:57 --> 00:01:00 What year did you start grazing animals?
00:01:00 --> 00:01:01 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: We started in 2019.
00:01:02 --> 00:01:07 The Flock got to Stillwater in early 2020, I believe.
00:01:08 --> 00:01:08 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Okay.
00:01:08 --> 00:01:09 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: we've been doing it up there for a bit,
00:01:11 --> 00:01:13 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: what species do you graze?
00:01:13 --> 00:01:15 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Predominantly low input hair sheep.
00:01:15 --> 00:01:17 So we try to make hair sheep.
00:01:17 --> 00:01:22 They're really parasite resistant very maternal and they're still
00:01:22 --> 00:01:24 make really good easy keeper use.
00:01:24 --> 00:01:26 We do bring in some custom grazed cattle.
00:01:26 --> 00:01:29 That's about all we got as far as enterprises.
00:01:29 --> 00:01:30 We also sell fiberglass post.
00:01:30 --> 00:01:33 We've got some of that going on, but those don't eat much grass.
00:01:34 --> 00:01:36 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, typically not, but you'll lose a little bit
00:01:36 --> 00:01:38 of area wherever they're stacked,
00:01:38 --> 00:01:40 Cal: Welcome to the grazing grass podcast.
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00:04:26 --> 00:04:29 Also on the podcast today, we're talking about bio-security
00:04:30 --> 00:04:31 with Wyatt and Samantha.
00:04:32 --> 00:04:35 If there's something I did not ask, shoot me a message.
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00:04:42 --> 00:04:45 And I'll get in touch with Wyatt and we'll record a followup episode.
00:04:47 --> 00:04:49 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: To get started in our conversation today, tell us
00:04:49 --> 00:04:53 what you're doing currently, and then we'll hop into your backgrounds.
00:04:54 --> 00:04:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Okay.
00:04:55 --> 00:04:57 So I'm a mobile food animal veterinarian.
00:04:57 --> 00:05:01 I work at the Joplin regional stockyards and Leach livestock auction.
00:05:01 --> 00:05:04 When I'm not at those two places do mobile work.
00:05:04 --> 00:05:06 We focus predominantly on small remnants.
00:05:06 --> 00:05:08 So I'm licensed in six States now.
00:05:09 --> 00:05:12 So we go all over providing services to flocks that are
00:05:12 --> 00:05:14 big or small, all varieties.
00:05:16 --> 00:05:16 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Very good.
00:05:16 --> 00:05:17 And Sam?
00:05:17 --> 00:05:19 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yes, so I'm a postdoc fellow at
00:05:19 --> 00:05:23 the University of Arkansas, so I basically graduated with my Ph.
00:05:23 --> 00:05:23 D.
00:05:23 --> 00:05:27 in May and stayed on within my lab to continue my research.
00:05:27 --> 00:05:31 And so my research is on the respiratory microbiome and its
00:05:31 --> 00:05:36 role in bovine respiratory disease.
00:05:36 --> 00:05:38 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: got that Arkansas part in there.
00:05:38 --> 00:05:41 Being a OSU alumni, you know.
00:05:41 --> 00:05:43 But, okay.
00:05:44 --> 00:05:44 No.
00:05:45 --> 00:05:50 Did you both have interests in cattle and grazing growing up?
00:05:51 --> 00:05:53 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: so I grew up on a, I guess
00:05:53 --> 00:05:54 we'd call it a hobby farm.
00:05:54 --> 00:05:56 Like, we had all kinds of stuff.
00:05:56 --> 00:05:56 And I always
00:05:56 --> 00:05:57 thought that.
00:05:57 --> 00:06:00 I'd be in a rural mixed practice somewhere, you know, working
00:06:00 --> 00:06:02 on a little bit of everything.
00:06:02 --> 00:06:06 And then the more I, in college, I was, the more I was exposed to it.
00:06:06 --> 00:06:09 I was like, you know, what I really want to do is be helping livestock producers.
00:06:09 --> 00:06:13 And that's what got me to where I'm at today is helping them make, like
00:06:13 --> 00:06:16 our mission for Catering Veterinary Services is helping our producers be more
00:06:16 --> 00:06:21 productive and profitable because I feel like I, that's needed in every operation.
00:06:22 --> 00:06:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:06:23 --> 00:06:23 Yeah.
00:06:24 --> 00:06:26 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I grew up on a commercial cow calf
00:06:27 --> 00:06:28 operation in Southern Oklahoma.
00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 And I was always really interested in science from a very young age.
00:06:32 --> 00:06:35 Like I used to, apparently, I don't remember this, but my parents say I
00:06:35 --> 00:06:39 used to ask them to read me the Merck vet manual, but I never wanted to
00:06:39 --> 00:06:40 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:06:40 --> 00:06:42 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: For some reason, which doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:06:42 --> 00:06:46 But then I went to Oklahoma state and majored in animal science and got
00:06:46 --> 00:06:51 involved in undergraduate research and kind of fell in love with the laboratory
00:06:51 --> 00:06:52 and the microbiology side of stuff.
00:06:53 --> 00:06:54 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 And does Wyatt get you out helping with the sheep very much?
00:06:59 --> 00:07:00 I was afraid of that, you
00:07:00 --> 00:07:00 know.
00:07:01 --> 00:07:01 It,
00:07:01 --> 00:07:02 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: few farm calls.
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 Yeah, sometimes farm calls.
00:07:05 --> 00:07:06 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: yeah, right.
00:07:08 --> 00:07:12 Now, regenetative practices, when did you all become aware
00:07:12 --> 00:07:14 of more regenerative practices?
00:07:14 --> 00:07:18 When you grow, when you were growing up, were regenerative practices the norm?
00:07:19 --> 00:07:21 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: No, it was when we, when I was starting
00:07:21 --> 00:07:23 out, I wanted to get some sheep.
00:07:23 --> 00:07:25 The real reason I got sheep is I wanted to practice AI.
00:07:25 --> 00:07:27 So artificial insemination.
00:07:27 --> 00:07:30 So I, I got a small flock of wool sheep.
00:07:30 --> 00:07:35 And thing, one thing after another tried to expand those.
00:07:36 --> 00:07:38 And the bank wouldn't give me any money because they're like, oh,
00:07:38 --> 00:07:39 we can't give you a loan on sheep.
00:07:39 --> 00:07:40 Sheep don't make any money.
00:07:40 --> 00:07:44 There's no, like with cattle, we know the value of them and that's what they're
00:07:44 --> 00:07:44 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:48 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I started looking at different ways to
00:07:48 --> 00:07:52 basically finance stuff and looking at grazing because, you know, if you've
00:07:52 --> 00:07:55 only got a small place, you need to make the most use of that grass.
00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 And so that's what got me started down that path.
00:07:58 --> 00:08:03 We, we actually ended up, I bought a small flock of sheep with just the cash I had.
00:08:04 --> 00:08:07 sold them and then realized, hey, I can buy some stocker calves.
00:08:08 --> 00:08:11 We can leverage those stocker calves to buy more sheep.
00:08:12 --> 00:08:12 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:14 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Cause the bank will loan money.
00:08:14 --> 00:08:15 Yeah.
00:08:15 --> 00:08:16 Cause they have a value to the bank.
00:08:17 --> 00:08:18 And so the bank will loan you money against them.
00:08:18 --> 00:08:22 And so that's what kind of jumpstarted us back into the sheep world.
00:08:22 --> 00:08:24 The first set was wool ewes.
00:08:24 --> 00:08:28 And in April, when I sheared them for the first time, I said,
00:08:28 --> 00:08:29 I'm never doing that again.
00:08:30 --> 00:08:30 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:08:30 --> 00:08:33 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So, that's why we're into hair sheep.
00:08:33 --> 00:08:37 Yeah.
00:08:37 --> 00:08:39 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: in high school in FFA, I showed dairy cattle.
00:08:40 --> 00:08:45 And I'd see all the people with the sheep and the amount of times they
00:08:45 --> 00:08:47 shared, sheared them and shaped them.
00:08:47 --> 00:08:49 Like, I'm never having sheep.
00:08:51 --> 00:08:54 And yeah, and then the pig people, oh, just all the work.
00:08:54 --> 00:08:56 I was like, dairy cattle is much easier.
00:08:56 --> 00:08:59 Of course, then you're milking twice a day, so there's,
00:08:59 --> 00:09:00 that's a little debatable.
00:09:00 --> 00:09:01 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:09:01 --> 00:09:03 Depends on the work you want to do, I guess.
00:09:04 --> 00:09:05 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right, exactly.
00:09:05 --> 00:09:09 What, what you find fun versus what you find tedious.
00:09:10 --> 00:09:11 Yeah.
00:09:12 --> 00:09:15 Sam, when were you introduced to regenerative practices?
00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I would say by you, right?
00:09:18 --> 00:09:19 Yeah, it's probably by me.
00:09:20 --> 00:09:21 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:09:22 --> 00:09:26 So how did you educate yourself on regenerative practices, Wyatt?
00:09:26 --> 00:09:28 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: YouTube University was probably the biggest one.
00:09:29 --> 00:09:29 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:09:29 --> 00:09:29 yeah.
00:09:29 --> 00:09:29 Oh,
00:09:30 --> 00:09:32 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: YouTube videos, listening to podcasts.
00:09:32 --> 00:09:34 I got really into podcasts in undergrad.
00:09:35 --> 00:09:37 And I see you've got a stack of books behind you there.
00:09:38 --> 00:09:40 This is one of the bookshelves that
00:09:40 --> 00:09:45 we've got, yeah, the, the all kinds of books, and that's kind of what,
00:09:45 --> 00:09:49 how I got exposed to that was through YouTube reading different books.
00:09:49 --> 00:09:53 Like, we haven't been to Ranching for Profit, but following some of those guys
00:09:53 --> 00:09:55 that are very involved in that program.
00:09:56 --> 00:09:56 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 Just on that tangent, have you read the books by, I'm trying to think
00:10:00 --> 00:10:02 David Pratt's books?
00:10:02 --> 00:10:03 I couldn't think of his name.
00:10:03 --> 00:10:06 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So, let's see, I've got both
00:10:06 --> 00:10:10 of them, but it's one of those deals that my time to read is.
00:10:10 --> 00:10:10 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: You
00:10:10 --> 00:10:14 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah,
00:10:15 --> 00:10:17 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I'll, I'll guess I'll put it on the record.
00:10:17 --> 00:10:20 I'm a better book buyer than I am a book reader.
00:10:20 --> 00:10:25 Now, I have every intention of making it, yeah, I love books, and just
00:10:25 --> 00:10:27 getting to them takes some time.
00:10:27 --> 00:10:29 I really enjoyed the Pratt's books.
00:10:29 --> 00:10:34 They're, they're not quite the writing style I enjoy and like, but there's
00:10:34 --> 00:10:37 a lot of information in there, and I really thought they were really good.
00:10:38 --> 00:10:41 And then, just falling on that ranching for profit.
00:10:41 --> 00:10:42 I haven't been there yet.
00:10:42 --> 00:10:44 One of these days I'll make it.
00:10:44 --> 00:10:46 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, well, and I was lucky
00:10:46 --> 00:10:47 enough at the OSU library.
00:10:47 --> 00:10:51 They had a, it was actually by Stan Parsons, you know, the original
00:10:51 --> 00:10:53 ranch profit guy, his blue book in there.
00:10:54 --> 00:10:58 And so I read it out for several weeks and that's what I was going through all that.
00:10:58 --> 00:11:00 And it looked like is printed on a typewriter, but
00:11:01 --> 00:11:02 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:11:03 --> 00:11:04 Well, that's very interesting.
00:11:04 --> 00:11:06 I'm actually needing to go down to the library.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:09 There's a book on breeds I'm wanting to look at and they have
00:11:09 --> 00:11:13 a copy So I have to add that to my list to go down there and look at.
00:11:13 --> 00:11:14 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: it was really neat.
00:11:14 --> 00:11:16 I was, and that's what gave me a lot of exposure to the ranching
00:11:16 --> 00:11:20 profit stuff other than what's out there on the Internet and stuff.
00:11:20 --> 00:11:21 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right.
00:11:21 --> 00:11:24 So what were some of those YouTube channels you found most beneficial?
00:11:25 --> 00:11:27 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Greg Judy's got a great one.
00:11:28 --> 00:11:29 Greg Christensen.
00:11:29 --> 00:11:30 We, we, we
00:11:30 --> 00:11:32 run Greg and so
00:11:32 --> 00:11:33 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: yes.
00:11:33 --> 00:11:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: following him and what he's doing.
00:11:36 --> 00:11:38 I mean, there's quite a few and just different lectures that they'll have
00:11:38 --> 00:11:42 recorded that somebody recorded a conference and then put it online.
00:11:43 --> 00:11:46 And there are several of those like, different Bonsma
00:11:46 --> 00:11:48 lectures and Johann Zietsman.
00:11:48 --> 00:11:50 I really enjoyed those.
00:11:50 --> 00:11:51 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:11:51 --> 00:11:55 Yeah, I, I think oftentimes I need to put a together a list
00:11:55 --> 00:11:56 of those videos out there.
00:11:56 --> 00:12:00 And I know I don't know them all, but yeah, when you start searching,
00:12:00 --> 00:12:03 there's a lot out there, but sometimes they're hard to find.
00:12:03 --> 00:12:03 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah,
00:12:05 --> 00:12:07 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: When you got the wool sheep, did you start
00:12:07 --> 00:12:10 implementing more regenerative practices into your practice then?
00:12:11 --> 00:12:14 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I did because we had to make
00:12:14 --> 00:12:15 do with the pasture we had.
00:12:15 --> 00:12:19 And so we started rotationally grazing a little bit and getting that exposure.
00:12:19 --> 00:12:22 And then when the stocker calves came in, that's when I bought
00:12:22 --> 00:12:23 some polywire and we started
00:12:23 --> 00:12:24 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:12:26 --> 00:12:30 Now when you started rotating those sheep, the first ones, I'm going
00:12:30 --> 00:12:34 to put you on the spot again Wyatt, sorry about this, but when you started
00:12:34 --> 00:12:37 grazing those first sheep, were you doing it because you thought this is
00:12:37 --> 00:12:40 going to be more regenerative, I'm going to be able to grow more grass,
00:12:40 --> 00:12:43 or was it for more parasite management?
00:12:44 --> 00:12:45 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: That's a great question.
00:12:45 --> 00:12:48 So I think it was probably for the grass side of things.
00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 But it's definitely both of them.
00:12:51 --> 00:12:52 We see both
00:12:52 --> 00:12:53 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, it is,
00:12:53 --> 00:12:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: grass, you get more rest.
00:12:55 --> 00:12:57 And then you have less parasites if you're good about it.
00:12:58 --> 00:13:01 You know, as a veterinarian, we see some guys that come back too fast
00:13:01 --> 00:13:06 and parasite issues, but yeah, for the most part managing your grazing
00:13:06 --> 00:13:07 takes care of all three of those.
00:13:08 --> 00:13:11 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I know a lot of times when I talk to people,
00:13:11 --> 00:13:14 if it's cattle, they're like, I need more grass, I need lower inputs.
00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 If it's sheep or goats, they're like, I gotta keep these things healthy.
00:13:18 --> 00:13:19 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:13:20 --> 00:13:21 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: And it benefits both of those, yeah.
00:13:22 --> 00:13:23 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, absolutely.
00:13:25 --> 00:13:26 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: So you brought in stockers.
00:13:26 --> 00:13:32 When you brought in those stockers, did you go back and buy wool sheep or was that
00:13:32 --> 00:13:33 your point, you went with the hair sheep?
00:13:34 --> 00:13:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: That was the point I went with the hair sheep
00:13:36 --> 00:13:41 because I said I It took me like two days to shear 10 ewes, and
00:13:41 --> 00:13:43 I said, I can't do this again.
00:13:44 --> 00:13:45 Like, my back hurts.
00:13:45 --> 00:13:50 If we grow, we're not, definitely not, because the only sheep shear
00:13:50 --> 00:13:53 that I knew of at the time was actually west of Stillwater.
00:13:53 --> 00:13:55 And these ewes were all in eastern Oklahoma.
00:13:56 --> 00:13:56 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: oh yes.
00:13:56 --> 00:14:00 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And so I was like, not driving a half a
00:14:00 --> 00:14:03 trailer load to Stillwater to hang around all day and then bring them back.
00:14:03 --> 00:14:08 And so I got into the hair sheep because The market, it's easier to market too as
00:14:08 --> 00:14:09 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah, yeah.
00:14:10 --> 00:14:13 You're starting to see lots of hair sheep around.
00:14:13 --> 00:14:16 Just kind of like goats have blown up over the last couple decades.
00:14:16 --> 00:14:18 You're seeing goats a lot more.
00:14:18 --> 00:14:21 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Well, last night at Leach at sale barn there,
00:14:21 --> 00:14:28 they had, what, 2000 head in, and I'd say 80% of those were sheep and goats.
00:14:28 --> 00:14:31 And then of that 80%, most of 'em were hair sheep.
00:14:32 --> 00:14:33 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes, yeah.
00:14:33 --> 00:14:37 I, I have not been to a Leach auction.
00:14:37 --> 00:14:40 I've heard about it and I've often thought I'd get over there.
00:14:40 --> 00:14:42 We typically market ours through Diamond, Missouri.
00:14:43 --> 00:14:43 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Okay.
00:14:43 --> 00:14:44 Yep.
00:14:44 --> 00:14:47 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: so, yeah, one of these days I'll have to make over a
00:14:47 --> 00:14:48 Leach, see what they're doing over there.
00:14:49 --> 00:14:50 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, it's a, it's a neat place.
00:14:50 --> 00:14:54 I, I really enjoy Joe and Kyla, like they've been really good to me and.
00:14:54 --> 00:14:58 We do all the ultrasounding for their special placement sale they have twice a
00:14:58 --> 00:14:58 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:14:59 --> 00:15:01 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So, it's been a good opportunity for us.
00:15:02 --> 00:15:04 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: When you went with hair sheep, what breeds
00:15:04 --> 00:15:08 did you go with or what were you looking for for those initial sheep?
00:15:09 --> 00:15:11 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So, I knew that they were going to be grazing,
00:15:11 --> 00:15:15 so parasite resistance was key for me.
00:15:15 --> 00:15:20 Because of OSU, they had a hair sheep flock already, and they had got into
00:15:20 --> 00:15:22 the Hopping Brothers genetics early on,
00:15:23 --> 00:15:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:15:24 --> 00:15:26 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: being exposed to those ewes, how they
00:15:26 --> 00:15:30 were so parasite resistant, they were moderate, easy fleshing, like, That's
00:15:30 --> 00:15:33 when I knew I was like, okay, we need to find some more of these hopping sheep.
00:15:33 --> 00:15:39 And so, all of our ewes are hopping in some way, whether they're direct from
00:15:39 --> 00:15:43 Joe and Haas through Greg Christensen, or we've gotten a few from Lee Ford,
00:15:44 --> 00:15:44 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:15:44 --> 00:15:47 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: they're all, all of those are hopping genetics
00:15:47 --> 00:15:49 kind of separated by time and place.
00:15:49 --> 00:15:50 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:57 So, as you work on more parasitic resistance and more maternal abilities,
00:15:57 --> 00:16:00 are you staying within those lines or are you bringing in some others?
00:16:01 --> 00:16:02 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So we've, we've historically
00:16:02 --> 00:16:06 stayed within those lines and tried to keep buck lambs out of the
00:16:06 --> 00:16:06 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:16:06 --> 00:16:09 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: or the best buck lambs that we see at the time
00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 when we go through and work everything.
00:16:11 --> 00:16:16 And the way we've historically done it is we've kept, you know,
00:16:16 --> 00:16:19 10 to 20 percent buck lambs intact that we thought were good.
00:16:20 --> 00:16:24 And then, you know, there's always going to be fallout as they go, as they age.
00:16:24 --> 00:16:27 And so by the time breeding season comes around, there's usually
00:16:27 --> 00:16:30 some that you really like and some that you thought you really liked.
00:16:30 --> 00:16:34 And, and so we, we turned those out as buck lambs and kept a yearling buck or two
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 around to, as the second cycle came in.
00:16:38 --> 00:16:39 But this year we actually did something different.
00:16:39 --> 00:16:41 I've got a client that raises easy cares.
00:16:42 --> 00:16:43 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:16:43 --> 00:16:45 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: yep, that breed, that's a half Romanov,
00:16:45 --> 00:16:47 a quarter white Dorper Katahdin.
00:16:47 --> 00:16:50 So we bought some buck lambs from him and actually kicked them out.
00:16:51 --> 00:16:53 Our goal is to increase our land crop.
00:16:54 --> 00:16:54 And so
00:16:54 --> 00:16:56 impregnability, that's the reason those came in.
00:16:58 --> 00:17:01 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Well, I'm, I'm very interested in genetics on both sides.
00:17:01 --> 00:17:04 I'd love to get a couple Hopping Brothers rams in here.
00:17:05 --> 00:17:09 I'd love to get an easy care ram or two in here and try them out.
00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 We're very Katahdin based and we raise our own rams.
00:17:13 --> 00:17:16 I think, but I think it's time we introduced some new blood and that's
00:17:16 --> 00:17:20 definitely the areas that I'm looking at to introduce into my flock.
00:17:21 --> 00:17:21 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:17:21 --> 00:17:24 Yeah, I think both those sheep had their place.
00:17:24 --> 00:17:28 Like the, the Easy Cares, he's more of a confinement operation, so it might be
00:17:28 --> 00:17:28 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yes,
00:17:29 --> 00:17:31 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: to see how those lambs do on pasture for us.
00:17:31 --> 00:17:32 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: will be.
00:17:32 --> 00:17:34 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: But I think we've got enough parasite
00:17:34 --> 00:17:38 resistance already built into those ewes that I don't think we'll see them
00:17:38 --> 00:17:39 struggle too many, too much on them.
00:17:40 --> 00:17:41 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah, yeah.
00:17:41 --> 00:17:45 That will be interesting to follow that and see how that goes for you.
00:17:46 --> 00:17:51 Now, one thing I always struggle with is picking out rams that I want to keep.
00:17:52 --> 00:17:59 Because here's, here's a issue I have that you may not have because you're probably
00:17:59 --> 00:18:00 going through an ultrasound in yours.
00:18:00 --> 00:18:02 That gives you a leg up.
00:18:02 --> 00:18:08 But making sure I'm looking at a twin ram versus a single ram because those
00:18:08 --> 00:18:10 single rams can look really nice.
00:18:10 --> 00:18:11 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:18:11 --> 00:18:11 Yeah, they can.
00:18:11 --> 00:18:17 And that's what most of the time it's observation in the pasture and That's
00:18:17 --> 00:18:20 the, you know, over in Australia, they want everything to look white.
00:18:20 --> 00:18:21 Like all their sheep breeds are
00:18:21 --> 00:18:21 white.
00:18:22 --> 00:18:23 I prefer a little bit of color
00:18:24 --> 00:18:27 because when you go out in the pasture, you know, I can
00:18:27 --> 00:18:30 pick out those lambs and be like, okay, there's twin lambs.
00:18:30 --> 00:18:32 This one's got weird spots on his head or neck.
00:18:33 --> 00:18:34 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right.
00:18:34 --> 00:18:36 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: and I kind of write it down or I take a picture.
00:18:36 --> 00:18:40 So when it comes time to work them, you know, when they're 20 yards away, and
00:18:40 --> 00:18:43 then when we get into the pen, I can, you know, Find those ones that I really
00:18:43 --> 00:18:45 like to make sure those gets pulled out.
00:18:46 --> 00:18:46 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:18:47 --> 00:18:49 Are you tagging lambs when they're born?
00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: We did the first year, first two years,
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 and then it just got to be too much labor, like there's too much going on,
00:18:56 --> 00:18:59 and we haven't found a better way yet.
00:19:00 --> 00:19:04 You know, there's some nice technologies coming out that hopefully make that
00:19:04 --> 00:19:08 easier, but tagging at birth worked great until we had too many sheep.
00:19:08 --> 00:19:12 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: We, I've tried it, I've had mixed results with it I
00:19:12 --> 00:19:15 think I caused too many orphans one year when I was tagging early, I think I was
00:19:15 --> 00:19:20 tagging too early, but I'm slow, so I need to catch them when they're young,
00:19:21 --> 00:19:21 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yep.
00:19:22 --> 00:19:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: in the hours, not days.
00:19:24 --> 00:19:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:19:25 --> 00:19:28 And it, and tagging at birth does give you a good opportunity to get that.
00:19:28 --> 00:19:32 Like there's a few guys that do a maternal, maternal score.
00:19:32 --> 00:19:32 And so does that
00:19:32 --> 00:19:34 you hang around, does she take off?
00:19:34 --> 00:19:37 Like it kind of helps on the maternal side.
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 But still it's just the labor that goes into it.
00:19:39 --> 00:19:39 Cause you got to
00:19:39 --> 00:19:42 be out there like we were twice a day before school, going
00:19:42 --> 00:19:43 out and checking everything.
00:19:43 --> 00:19:47 And then after classes that we're coming back out and retagging it.
00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 It works good on the front end and on the back end, but when you're
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 having 10 to 20 lambs a day,
00:19:54 --> 00:19:59 or something comes up, it's just, that's the first thing that got dropped.
00:20:00 --> 00:20:01 It was like, we'll come back later.
00:20:02 --> 00:20:04 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Well, and I know from you all's Facebook,
00:20:04 --> 00:20:05 you guys are not very busy.
00:20:06 --> 00:20:11 So, I don't know how you get everything accomplished.
00:20:11 --> 00:20:13 So, good job on that.
00:20:13 --> 00:20:15 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: thankfully, right now in Stillwater, I've
00:20:15 --> 00:20:17 got two guys that work part time for me.
00:20:17 --> 00:20:18 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:20:18 --> 00:20:20 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: between both of them, we, we managed to get a lot
00:20:20 --> 00:20:22 of the stuff done that needs to be done.
00:20:22 --> 00:20:25 And if it wasn't for them Yeah, there'd be a lot that got dropped.
00:20:26 --> 00:20:28 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: But, actually, I have that wrote down.
00:20:28 --> 00:20:33 How are you, you able to manage regeneratively long distance?
00:20:34 --> 00:20:37 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So it's been a, that's been a learning curve
00:20:37 --> 00:20:43 because like when I was, so we were, when I was still in school and we were
00:20:43 --> 00:20:47 grazing hard, I was trying to rotate those ewes every one to three days.
00:20:47 --> 00:20:50 We've kind of backed off that just a little bit now.
00:20:50 --> 00:20:51 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:20:52 --> 00:20:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And the way our, the way our operation works
00:20:54 --> 00:20:58 is it's all leased ground, but it's all separate and different pastures.
00:20:59 --> 00:20:59 And so that was really
00:20:59 --> 00:21:03 handy too, is we can chop down the pastures that we're
00:21:04 --> 00:21:05 and manage them that way.
00:21:06 --> 00:21:07 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:21:07 --> 00:21:07 Yeah.
00:21:08 --> 00:21:10 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And so the, our biggest place is a hundred acres.
00:21:10 --> 00:21:13 We've got some smaller, like a 10 acre piece that we go to.
00:21:14 --> 00:21:17 And that one's very easy because we drive the ewes down the road.
00:21:17 --> 00:21:20 They hit the 10 acres for a day or two, and then we go to a different
00:21:20 --> 00:21:21 place further down the road.
00:21:23 --> 00:21:27 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah, are all of those fences, or fenced with
00:21:27 --> 00:21:31 permanent sheep type fencing, or are you having to go in and do anything there?
00:21:32 --> 00:21:34 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: It's a mix of all the above.
00:21:34 --> 00:21:38 So our main place, it's, it already had nice two by four wire in it.
00:21:38 --> 00:21:41 And so that's where we try to lamb
00:21:41 --> 00:21:42 keep those ewes on it.
00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 Just reduces predator pressure.
00:21:44 --> 00:21:48 And then as those lambs are a little bit older, we go into places that
00:21:48 --> 00:21:51 they've got offset high tensile wire off of a barbed wire fence.
00:21:52 --> 00:21:55 And then we've got, we've got another pasture that's across town.
00:21:56 --> 00:21:59 And it's one of those things you just make it work, but he's got a lot of,
00:21:59 --> 00:22:02 there's a lot of town dogs out there, but they've also got a lot of coyote pressure.
00:22:03 --> 00:22:05 And so we don't take guard dogs out to that pasture.
00:22:05 --> 00:22:06 We just pen at night.
00:22:07 --> 00:22:07 And so we
00:22:07 --> 00:22:08 only,
00:22:09 --> 00:22:13 we learned the first year that we're only taking mature dry ewes out there.
00:22:13 --> 00:22:19 Because we had, yeah, too many issues where it was like, huh, I know she
00:22:19 --> 00:22:20 had a pair of lambs this morning.
00:22:21 --> 00:22:21 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh Yeah,
00:22:22 --> 00:22:23 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, we learned just take, once the
00:22:23 --> 00:22:28 lambs are weaned, they go out to that pasture because they're dry and they
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 can go run on those different paddocks.
00:22:30 --> 00:22:32 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right, and that makes sense.
00:22:32 --> 00:22:36 When you're offset high tensile, are you just one one strand?
00:22:37 --> 00:22:38 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I think you can do it with one.
00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 Greg Christensen up in Kansas does it with one.
00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 We put two, because I
00:22:43 --> 00:22:47 liked a security and we, we did have some Spanish goats.
00:22:47 --> 00:22:48 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, okay.
00:22:48 --> 00:22:49 That's a whole different game.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:50 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Emphasis on did.
00:22:50 --> 00:22:51 Yeah, emphasis on did.
00:22:51 --> 00:22:52 And they
00:22:52 --> 00:22:54 stayed in really well on that offset.
00:22:55 --> 00:22:55 I think
00:22:55 --> 00:22:56 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:22:57 --> 00:22:58 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: there's an animal, there's, there's
00:22:58 --> 00:23:00 a depth perception issue with
00:23:00 --> 00:23:00 those guys.
00:23:01 --> 00:23:04 And so I think they're going to walk into it every time first, and get shocked,
00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 rather than being able to judge and jump.
00:23:07 --> 00:23:07 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:23:08 --> 00:23:10 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And I mean, the issues we had with
00:23:10 --> 00:23:12 the Spanish goats is they were getting out on our good fences.
00:23:13 --> 00:23:13 They
00:23:13 --> 00:23:14 found some rocks.
00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 They found some rocks at work.
00:23:18 --> 00:23:20 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: They'll help you find any holes you have.
00:23:20 --> 00:23:20 Yeah.
00:23:21 --> 00:23:22 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yes, they were very good at that.
00:23:23 --> 00:23:25 Which is why they, they now live with my father in law with
00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 the rest of his Spanish goats.
00:23:27 --> 00:23:27 They
00:23:27 --> 00:23:28 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:23:29 --> 00:23:30 Yeah.
00:23:31 --> 00:23:33 So was that Sam's idea to get into the goats?
00:23:35 --> 00:23:37 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: It was really your idea?
00:23:37 --> 00:23:37 Yeah.
00:23:37 --> 00:23:39 But like baby goats, so.
00:23:41 --> 00:23:41 Yeah,
00:23:41 --> 00:23:44 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I tell people all the time that my favorite
00:23:44 --> 00:23:46 animal on the farm are the goats.
00:23:46 --> 00:23:51 They just have so much personality they make me say words I didn't know I
00:23:51 --> 00:23:53 wanted to say, but I, I love my goats.
00:23:53 --> 00:23:55 I've got a dozen head out here.
00:23:55 --> 00:23:58 I'd sold all down and then I bought a few more because I,
00:23:58 --> 00:24:01 I enjoy them most of the time.
00:24:03 --> 00:24:05 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: but it's those other times where you're like, I
00:24:05 --> 00:24:06 don't know if we should be running goats.
00:24:06 --> 00:24:09 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: There's, there's other times I don't carry a rifle in
00:24:09 --> 00:24:14 my pickup because those other times happen and we would be having goat stew.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:17 Yeah.
00:24:18 --> 00:24:24 On the, the fence on your offset, is that, are you coming in so far in
00:24:24 --> 00:24:29 front of that fence and setting like a temporary fence or temporary or fiberglass
00:24:29 --> 00:24:34 pole or do you have those offsets that set on your fence pushing out?
00:24:34 --> 00:24:36 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I liked the fiberglass just because it's
00:24:36 --> 00:24:38 going to stay away from that fence.
00:24:38 --> 00:24:40 It's very rigid piece.
00:24:40 --> 00:24:42 So we go a foot out and a foot up.
00:24:42 --> 00:24:43 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:24:43 --> 00:24:43 okay.
00:24:43 --> 00:24:45 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: on that second wire, it's two foot up,
00:24:46 --> 00:24:46 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:24:47 --> 00:24:49 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: but I like the rigidity
00:24:49 --> 00:24:50 of those fiberglass posts.
00:24:50 --> 00:24:53 Whereas I think those pin locks or something like that, where you've
00:24:53 --> 00:24:56 got to make place, you know, they break.
00:24:56 --> 00:25:00 If we do have deer that come through there, cause I can tell it's still
00:25:00 --> 00:25:01 hooks sometimes with that barb.
00:25:01 --> 00:25:02 And so you've got to kind of.
00:25:02 --> 00:25:05 bring it out and flip it off.
00:25:05 --> 00:25:08 But I think with those plastic pieces or even the metal ones,
00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 we'd still have some issues
00:25:10 --> 00:25:11 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, Yeah.
00:25:11 --> 00:25:13 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: with being able to pull that fence
00:25:13 --> 00:25:14 away from the existing fence.
00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: We went through and put a lot of those offsets, just
00:25:18 --> 00:25:24 the metal out there with the pin and yeah, in places we didn't get them
00:25:24 --> 00:25:27 close enough together, they're getting tangled up in the barbed wire and that
00:25:27 --> 00:25:32 does so good for the electric fence running, so yeah, has some issues.
00:25:33 --> 00:25:34 Yeah.
00:25:36 --> 00:25:38 Sam, I want to include you more in this conversation.
00:25:39 --> 00:25:42 What have you told Wyatt he should do with the sheep that he's not done?
00:25:42 --> 00:25:42 Yeah.
00:25:42 --> 00:25:44 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: The biggest thing I think that made
00:25:44 --> 00:25:51 my life significantly better was the to Te Pari that made my life
00:25:52 --> 00:25:54 So much better when we work stuff.
00:25:55 --> 00:25:56 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yes.
00:25:56 --> 00:25:59 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, so we've got a few nice pieces of equipment.
00:25:59 --> 00:26:03 I try not to have a lot of overheads, but there, there's definitely
00:26:03 --> 00:26:07 times where some great equipment will make stuff more efficient.
00:26:08 --> 00:26:12 And so like for us, we've got a Te Pari sheep handler because we can keep
00:26:12 --> 00:26:17 better records on those ewes, track weights makes working them a lot easier.
00:26:18 --> 00:26:21 And so that's what, yeah, that's what she's referring to.
00:26:21 --> 00:26:22 Because I used to be the catcher.
00:26:22 --> 00:26:26 And I still, I still am, but it's much less now.
00:26:26 --> 00:26:27 It'll be, yeah, and
00:26:27 --> 00:26:30 it'll be different this year because I actually, I had a client that made his
00:26:30 --> 00:26:33 own marking cradle, you know, like you've probably seen in Australia, New Zealand,
00:26:34 --> 00:26:38 where they put him down a little chute, and so we're gonna try that out this
00:26:38 --> 00:26:42 year because he got it made and it was, I think it was August when I picked it
00:26:42 --> 00:26:45 up, so our lambs were too big to fit in it, so I didn't even try to mess with it.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:49 But I'm looking forward to trying it and seeing if that
00:26:49 --> 00:26:50 makes it a little easier for us.
00:26:51 --> 00:26:52 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:26:52 --> 00:26:52 Yeah.
00:26:52 --> 00:26:56 I, I will admit getting some sheep equipment made a
00:26:56 --> 00:26:58 world of difference for us.
00:26:58 --> 00:27:03 Before I'd go out and wrestle them in our cattle pens, who I thought would
00:27:03 --> 00:27:04 work great for sheep and they don't.
00:27:05 --> 00:27:09 I would come in and, well, usually that day I was just tired.
00:27:09 --> 00:27:12 The next day I was sore and knew I got beat up.
00:27:12 --> 00:27:13 It's like, ooh.
00:27:15 --> 00:27:19 Now, Wyatt, I think you went to Arkansas, yeah, you did go to Arkansas,
00:27:19 --> 00:27:21 but you went to Australia with Dr.
00:27:21 --> 00:27:22 Gole down there.
00:27:23 --> 00:27:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: With Dr.
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 Tim Gole for flock's sake is his business name.
00:27:28 --> 00:27:29 And I still play on words.
00:27:29 --> 00:27:30 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: is, yeah.
00:27:32 --> 00:27:35 It sounds like a very Australian name of a company, to
00:27:35 --> 00:27:36 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, absolutely.
00:27:36 --> 00:27:36 Yeah.
00:27:36 --> 00:27:38 And so he was the sheep consultant.
00:27:38 --> 00:27:41 That's all we did while I was down there is mess with sheep every day.
00:27:41 --> 00:27:45 It was a great opportunity to see how a country that does it on such
00:27:46 --> 00:27:50 a scale how they're, what they're doing and how they're able to do it.
00:27:50 --> 00:27:50 Cause.
00:27:50 --> 00:27:53 For perspective, the United States has 5 million ewes.
00:27:54 --> 00:27:56 Australia has 50 million ewes.
00:27:57 --> 00:27:57 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, wow.
00:27:57 --> 00:27:58 I hadn't heard those numbers.
00:27:59 --> 00:28:03 It's not surprising to me, but it, it is somewhat ten times as much.
00:28:03 --> 00:28:04 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:28:04 --> 00:28:08 And the other best way to put it is like, everybody in the U.
00:28:08 --> 00:28:08 S.
00:28:08 --> 00:28:09 has cattle.
00:28:09 --> 00:28:10 Some people have sheep or goats.
00:28:11 --> 00:28:11 Everybody in
00:28:11 --> 00:28:12 Australia had sheep.
00:28:13 --> 00:28:14 Some people had cattle.
00:28:15 --> 00:28:16 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, interesting.
00:28:16 --> 00:28:18 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And so, like, we were talking about,
00:28:18 --> 00:28:21 like, I was jealous of all the sheep products that were over there.
00:28:21 --> 00:28:24 And they're like, yeah, but we don't have any good cattle products.
00:28:24 --> 00:28:24 And I was
00:28:25 --> 00:28:25 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:28:25 --> 00:28:27 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: was like, you make a fair point.
00:28:27 --> 00:28:27 I'm sorry.
00:28:30 --> 00:28:33 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: What, what did you learn being over there that
00:28:33 --> 00:28:37 you brought back and thought I've got to do or I've got to do better
00:28:37 --> 00:28:40 or, or try to mimic that in some way?
00:28:40 --> 00:28:42 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: The biggest thing was scale.
00:28:42 --> 00:28:45 Like, they do everything at a much better scale.
00:28:45 --> 00:28:46 Like, they're able to run
00:28:46 --> 00:28:47 stuff more efficiently.
00:28:47 --> 00:28:51 Genetics, record keeping, that type of stuff, like, just need to be better at
00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 record keeping, keeping the right records.
00:28:54 --> 00:28:57 Tim, we put on a couple workshops about lambing survival.
00:28:58 --> 00:29:02 And Australia's extension programs over there are very good at.
00:29:03 --> 00:29:05 You know, they've got one program called Towards 90.
00:29:05 --> 00:29:09 It's about boosting lamb survival or lifetime ewe management, which
00:29:09 --> 00:29:12 is about taking care of those ewes because it'll make you more productive.
00:29:13 --> 00:29:17 And so I brought back a lot of stuff that we're trying to implement now.
00:29:18 --> 00:29:19 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:29:19 --> 00:29:21 Oh,
00:29:21 --> 00:29:23 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I guess from a vet side, yeah, I,
00:29:23 --> 00:29:28 my pregnancy scanning crate that we use now is modeled after Tim's
00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 and I made a few revisions to it, like took some ideas off the
00:29:31 --> 00:29:33 Scottish crate, but that's what.
00:29:33 --> 00:29:37 It allows us as a veterinarian to really efficiently go through
00:29:37 --> 00:29:39 some of those commercial flocks.
00:29:39 --> 00:29:45 And so we can run 150 to 200 ewes an hour and we're calling open singles and twins.
00:29:46 --> 00:29:46 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:29:47 --> 00:29:49 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Whereas like, if you were to call your
00:29:49 --> 00:29:52 local vet, they're probably going to come out with an ultrasound that's
00:29:52 --> 00:29:53 not really made for sheep and goats.
00:29:54 --> 00:29:57 It'll work, but then you're also going to have to grab every one of
00:29:57 --> 00:30:00 them and walk up behind, bend over.
00:30:00 --> 00:30:01 and put it in the abdomen.
00:30:01 --> 00:30:05 Whereas I sit in a nice, comfortable little lawn chair and we run
00:30:05 --> 00:30:08 through, hook it up next to an alley and we're good to go.
00:30:09 --> 00:30:09 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:30:10 --> 00:30:14 And with that, and I know asking this question, I can tell you the
00:30:14 --> 00:30:20 answer immediately what you're going to say, because I'm going to ask,
00:30:20 --> 00:30:22 should all producers be doing that?
00:30:22 --> 00:30:25 And I know where you're selling this as a service, the answer is yes, but can
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 you tell us some reasons why we should?
00:30:28 --> 00:30:28 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:30:28 --> 00:30:33 So like there's certain operations where they don't have enough numbers where
00:30:33 --> 00:30:35 maybe blood testing would be better.
00:30:35 --> 00:30:38 We're calling your local, local veterinarian if your numbers aren't
00:30:38 --> 00:30:41 big enough, but that's usually like in the single digit flocks.
00:30:42 --> 00:30:46 But the main reasons why I tell clients they need to be doing this is because
00:30:46 --> 00:30:49 Number one, you can get rid of your opens or do something else with them.
00:30:50 --> 00:30:54 And the biggest part is nutritional allocation.
00:30:54 --> 00:30:57 So a twin needs a lot more nutrients.
00:30:57 --> 00:31:00 A twin bearing you needs a lot more nutrients than a single bearing you.
00:31:01 --> 00:31:03 A single bearing you still needs a lot more nutrients than an open ewe.
00:31:04 --> 00:31:05 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:31:05 --> 00:31:06 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: because an open ewe is just on maintenance.
00:31:06 --> 00:31:07 She's freeloading.
00:31:07 --> 00:31:08 She didn't punch her ticket.
00:31:09 --> 00:31:14 So like you've got options, you know, and if you know those things, You can put your
00:31:14 --> 00:31:18 open ewes in a different pasture where you can kind of forget about them, or you
00:31:18 --> 00:31:24 can take them to the sale, sell those cull ewes, and pay back some of your hay costs.
00:31:25 --> 00:31:30 Because like, we've got one client that they sold their open ewes, and of
00:31:30 --> 00:31:33 course they made money on the open ewes, but we figured out on the feed savings
00:31:34 --> 00:31:38 ewes, That paid for me coming up there
00:31:40 --> 00:31:40 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:31:40 --> 00:31:42 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: and so so the cost of me scanning
00:31:42 --> 00:31:47 was cheaper than feeding open use that long And so that's a really
00:31:49 --> 00:31:54 I don't I guess that's a really good opportunity to add some value to an
00:31:54 --> 00:31:58 operation and It doesn't necessarily hurt them because most the time they're gonna
00:31:58 --> 00:32:00 be saving money by having me come in,
00:32:01 --> 00:32:01 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:32:02 --> 00:32:07 Well, one aspect, and we haven't done this, we just, what I do whenever I'm
00:32:07 --> 00:32:13 lambing, when they lamb, they get, or, the, the ewes that haven't lambed yet
00:32:13 --> 00:32:18 are pushed forward, the lambed ewes with lambs are left behind, so then I'm working
00:32:18 --> 00:32:22 with two flocks as I work through, and when we're over it, usually whenever
00:32:22 --> 00:32:27 the sale is, and we've said they've had long enough to lamb, Everything
00:32:27 --> 00:32:28 that's not lambed yet goes to sell.
00:32:28 --> 00:32:33 But, if they're, if they're going because they're open, they would never lambed.
00:32:33 --> 00:32:35 I just fed them how many days?
00:32:35 --> 00:32:36 150 days,
00:32:36 --> 00:32:36 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: you know
00:32:38 --> 00:32:40 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: for no benefit, or very little.
00:32:41 --> 00:32:43 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: yeah, it's like guys will say like you
00:32:43 --> 00:32:47 need to be charging yourself for that because Whether a bred ewe or a ewe
00:32:47 --> 00:32:51 that had twins eating that grass, or you bailed it and sold it to somebody.
00:32:51 --> 00:32:54 Like, you should kind of be charging those ewes that price.
00:32:54 --> 00:32:55 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right,
00:32:55 --> 00:32:57 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And so, yeah, an open ewe, she's going to hang
00:32:57 --> 00:33:01 around your operation for 100 to 150 days, depending on when you go through them.
00:33:02 --> 00:33:05 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, and then the other thing that, as I was
00:33:05 --> 00:33:09 looking at your website and thinking about it, the other thing is you
00:33:09 --> 00:33:12 can call on those single bred use.
00:33:12 --> 00:33:16 I think you had it on one of your graphics, maybe, that that would be a
00:33:16 --> 00:33:18 way to improve your lambing percent.
00:33:19 --> 00:33:23 And improve your genetics for future lines because we, we want
00:33:23 --> 00:33:25 to sell those that have singles.
00:33:26 --> 00:33:31 But saying doing that versus actually doing that is a little bit tougher
00:33:32 --> 00:33:33 than, than you think it would be.
00:33:34 --> 00:33:34 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:33:34 --> 00:33:36 Well, and I've got one client, they actually do the
00:33:36 --> 00:33:38 opposite on their ewe lambs.
00:33:38 --> 00:33:40 They only want their ewe lambs to have singles.
00:33:40 --> 00:33:42 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Okay, I can see that on ewe lambs.
00:33:42 --> 00:33:43 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:33:43 --> 00:33:46 and their logic was she has a hard enough time counting to one.
00:33:46 --> 00:33:47 We don't really want her to count to two.
00:33:48 --> 00:33:51 And, but, what it did was we, we sorted off the twins.
00:33:52 --> 00:33:55 And those twins were, they had a lot more value in them.
00:33:55 --> 00:33:58 Because they were able to say, hey, these things are carrying twins.
00:33:58 --> 00:34:01 to somebody that was worth a lot of money.
00:34:01 --> 00:34:04 And they didn't want the, they didn't want to have to deal with that.
00:34:04 --> 00:34:09 And so they actually increased the value of those ewe lambs by knowing
00:34:09 --> 00:34:10 that there was twins inside there.
00:34:10 --> 00:34:15 And then one thing earlier, Cal talking about making replacements, it's harder
00:34:15 --> 00:34:19 when we've got smaller flocks, like we don't even do it yet, but if you
00:34:19 --> 00:34:23 have the opportunity to split those singles and twins into different groups,
00:34:23 --> 00:34:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:34:24 --> 00:34:25 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: then you can pick your replacements out.
00:34:25 --> 00:34:29 Cause you're like, well, if it's in that pasture, It had to have been a twin,
00:34:30 --> 00:34:32 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, oh, yeah, that would help out.
00:34:32 --> 00:34:33 Yes.
00:34:34 --> 00:34:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: You got to manage two pastures.
00:34:35 --> 00:34:36 And then it's kind of like, well,
00:34:37 --> 00:34:39 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, there's some trade off there,
00:34:39 --> 00:34:40 but I could also see the benefit.
00:34:40 --> 00:34:45 It's really going to be how you value the inputs versus the outputs there.
00:34:46 --> 00:34:47 One thing on those.
00:34:47 --> 00:34:50 Yearly new lambs, if they have twins.
00:34:50 --> 00:34:51 I know Dr.
00:34:51 --> 00:34:55 Dave Sparks, I'm not sure if you knew him when he was live with Kiko Goats.
00:34:55 --> 00:35:01 He always said for does, he expects them to have three kids in the first two years.
00:35:02 --> 00:35:06 It can be two their first year, one their second, one their first, two their second.
00:35:06 --> 00:35:12 He said it just takes too much out of them to have twins as a first one to expect
00:35:12 --> 00:35:14 them to do twins every year after that.
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00:36:22 --> 00:36:24 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: We're going to talk about biosecurity on the farm and
00:36:24 --> 00:36:28 this is a question I reached out to you all to see if you all would come on and
00:36:28 --> 00:36:35 talk about biosecurity Because I've had some listeners reach out to me to say hey,
00:36:35 --> 00:36:40 we need more information on biosecurity So maybe to to start the ball rolling.
00:36:40 --> 00:36:44 What is it when we say Biosecurity.
00:36:45 --> 00:36:48 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: biosecurity is to prevent
00:36:48 --> 00:36:50 more diseases from coming in.
00:36:50 --> 00:36:52 I mean, that's the overarching goal.
00:36:52 --> 00:36:54 And I'll say there's a spectrum on biosecurity.
00:36:54 --> 00:37:01 Like you can be as biosecure as some of these poultry and swine facilities are now
00:37:01 --> 00:37:05 to having zero biosecurity, but there's a spectrum, you know, some guys, it
00:37:05 --> 00:37:06 depends on what you're comfortable with.
00:37:07 --> 00:37:11 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I, I know for us we had some broiler houses for a while
00:37:11 --> 00:37:13 and biosecurity there was much greater.
00:37:14 --> 00:37:18 With our beef cattle maybe I shouldn't put this out to the world, but
00:37:18 --> 00:37:21 biosecurity is not really something we think about, to be honest.
00:37:22 --> 00:37:26 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, and there's and I'd say that's the that's
00:37:26 --> 00:37:31 the mindset of a lot of producers that raise ruminants, you know, they don't
00:37:31 --> 00:37:36 it's something that's in the back of their mind But it's not until you have an issue
00:37:36 --> 00:37:37 and then have an issue.
00:37:37 --> 00:37:38 You're too late.
00:37:38 --> 00:37:38 So,
00:37:40 --> 00:37:43 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, I, I know with my goats, the original, when I got
00:37:43 --> 00:37:47 goats back in the early 2000s I had a few.
00:37:47 --> 00:37:53 I wanted to expand my flock, and I found some not too far away, and they just
00:37:53 --> 00:37:54 didn't look very good to be honest.
00:37:55 --> 00:38:00 Now, if I could go back and tell myself what was wrong with them, I could now,
00:38:00 --> 00:38:03 because I know exactly what was wrong with them, but at the time, I was
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06 coming to it with a very cattle mindset.
00:38:07 --> 00:38:11 That I can solve their problems, I can get them in better condition,
00:38:11 --> 00:38:12 and they'll make some good animals.
00:38:13 --> 00:38:17 What I did, was brought in some parasites that were a little too resistant,
00:38:17 --> 00:38:19 and caused me problems for years.
00:38:20 --> 00:38:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: you know Yeah, and so parasites are a big one.
00:38:25 --> 00:38:28 You talk about abortion diseases foot rot I mean those are all things
00:38:28 --> 00:38:33 that I see not every day, but we talk about producers with all the time
00:38:34 --> 00:38:39 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: So, what should a producer have in their biosecurity
00:38:39 --> 00:38:42 plan, or how they approach this?
00:38:43 --> 00:38:46 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So the best way is whether I'm going
00:38:46 --> 00:38:48 to, because I'm a veterinarian, I'm going to say work with your
00:38:48 --> 00:38:50 local veterinarian or work with me,
00:38:51 --> 00:38:51 develop a plan.
00:38:51 --> 00:38:52 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: of course, of course.
00:38:52 --> 00:38:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: there's a reason for that is you
00:38:54 --> 00:38:55 need to work with somebody else
00:38:56 --> 00:38:57 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yes.
00:38:57 --> 00:38:58 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: we all have blind spots.
00:38:59 --> 00:39:03 And so working with somebody that's outside of the operation is
00:39:03 --> 00:39:07 going to allow you to find some of those issues that you may not have
00:39:07 --> 00:39:10 realized you may have in the future.
00:39:11 --> 00:39:11 Does that
00:39:11 --> 00:39:11 make sense?
00:39:11 --> 00:39:16 And so when we talk about like one of our CE conferences recently, we talked about
00:39:16 --> 00:39:19 developing a biosecurity plan for feedlot.
00:39:19 --> 00:39:23 Well, and so, you gotta think about the silage that comes in, the feed
00:39:23 --> 00:39:26 that gets delivered every day, the fuel, the people that are coming in.
00:39:27 --> 00:39:31 And so there's stuff that, me and you, Cal, we, it slips the back of our
00:39:31 --> 00:39:32 mind that that even comes in there.
00:39:32 --> 00:39:34 At all.
00:39:34 --> 00:39:40 And so to have an outside person kind of evaluate stuff is very, very handy.
00:39:41 --> 00:39:44 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: when we, we think about the average farmer out here,
00:39:45 --> 00:39:49 and you may want to go, well, I was going to say the average, the average in Craig
00:39:49 --> 00:39:51 County where I am is a few hundred acres.
00:39:52 --> 00:39:54 Some other counties have a little bit smaller, but when you think
00:39:54 --> 00:39:59 about the average farmer, what should they be planning on?
00:39:59 --> 00:40:03 Should they, and when I ask that, should they be isolating new animals?
00:40:03 --> 00:40:05 Should they be worried about visitors?
00:40:06 --> 00:40:08 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So I guess big things, they should
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10 definitely be isolating new animals.
00:40:10 --> 00:40:12 Like that's the biggest thing.
00:40:12 --> 00:40:13 We recommend 30 days.
00:40:14 --> 00:40:19 And so with that, we'd like those animals to be in either a separate facility.
00:40:19 --> 00:40:21 Like if you've got a plate, if you've got a pasture that's way across the
00:40:21 --> 00:40:23 farm or separated from the farm.
00:40:24 --> 00:40:26 That's a great opportunity to isolate those
00:40:26 --> 00:40:27 guys for 30 days.
00:40:28 --> 00:40:31 Or have like two degrees of separation.
00:40:31 --> 00:40:35 So don't make them share a fence line, have two fence lines between them.
00:40:35 --> 00:40:37 That way they can't have nose to nose contact.
00:40:37 --> 00:40:40 Visitors, I would say it depends on the visitors.
00:40:40 --> 00:40:45 You know, if you're, If it's other producers, depending on their operation,
00:40:45 --> 00:40:47 you may want to be a little more cautious.
00:40:48 --> 00:40:48 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: oh yeah.
00:40:48 --> 00:40:50 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And I mean, there's ways around that.
00:40:50 --> 00:40:53 Like, like I've got one client that he was worried about getting foot rot.
00:40:54 --> 00:40:58 And because he was, they had, had a guy coming to buy sheep
00:40:58 --> 00:40:59 from him that had foot rot.
00:40:59 --> 00:41:00 He was like, what do I need?
00:41:00 --> 00:41:01 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:41:01 --> 00:41:04 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And so stuff like that, just ask
00:41:04 --> 00:41:07 them to wash their trailer and you can disinfect it when it gets there.
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10 And something else we don't think about is our working facilities.
00:41:11 --> 00:41:11 You know, our
00:41:11 --> 00:41:16 working facility is usually where we also have people load out of, and so if we're
00:41:16 --> 00:41:20 worried about somebody bringing stuff in, a lot of times our working facilities are
00:41:20 --> 00:41:22 centrally located, because it's easy for
00:41:22 --> 00:41:23 us.
00:41:23 --> 00:41:24 Yeah.
00:41:24 --> 00:41:27 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: As as I think about ours, it's right here in the middle.
00:41:27 --> 00:41:27 Yeah.
00:41:27 --> 00:41:29 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: yeah, but when you have somebody
00:41:29 --> 00:41:33 that's going to be loading stuff out and potentially bringing stuff in,
00:41:33 --> 00:41:36 you kind of want to have a separate facility, even if it's just a pin with
00:41:36 --> 00:41:40 a ramp that you could have on the edge of your place, so they can back in.
00:41:40 --> 00:41:43 To the edge of the property, you know, load out and go on
00:41:43 --> 00:41:47 instead of driving across the whole farm and loading up in the middle and knocking
00:41:47 --> 00:41:52 shavings and, and infective material, you know, right where everything's gonna walk.
00:41:54 --> 00:41:56 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: So one thing is you think of, as you say that, and
00:41:56 --> 00:41:59 I think about, so we're bringing, if we bring new animals in, and to be
00:41:59 --> 00:42:03 honest, we're not someone who brings a lot of new animals in, but if we
00:42:03 --> 00:42:05 bring new animals in, we send them.
00:42:06 --> 00:42:09 We unload them, they're into our tub, they're right up our
00:42:09 --> 00:42:13 chute, our alley, and then, well, then they're out with the herd.
00:42:13 --> 00:42:18 So I should be isolating them, but you also mentioned I should be disinfecting
00:42:18 --> 00:42:20 and sanitizing my chute and alleyway?
00:42:22 --> 00:42:23 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: That would be my recommendation.
00:42:23 --> 00:42:27 If you're bringing new stuff in and because you're gonna have a, you're
00:42:27 --> 00:42:28 gonna have a little herd immunity.
00:42:28 --> 00:42:31 I mean, I would recommend it before and after because your
00:42:31 --> 00:42:33 flock may have something that they haven't been exposed to.
00:42:34 --> 00:42:35 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:42:35 --> 00:42:36 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: argue that they're going to get exposed to it as
00:42:36 --> 00:42:38 soon as you kick them out of quarantine.
00:42:39 --> 00:42:40 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:42:40 --> 00:42:43 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: But definitely after, because stuff like foot
00:42:43 --> 00:42:47 rot can hang around in your facilities for about two weeks, that bacteria can.
00:42:47 --> 00:42:53 And so, if you unload them, process them, and kick them back out to your
00:42:53 --> 00:42:57 isolation pen, Well, something may happen and you may have to work a ewe through
00:42:57 --> 00:42:59 there or something in the next week.
00:43:00 --> 00:43:02 Well, if you don't do it immediately, you know, it's something we
00:43:02 --> 00:43:06 forget about and then all of a sudden everything's got foot root.
00:43:06 --> 00:43:10 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: So, when we say sanitize and disinfect, when I say that,
00:43:10 --> 00:43:16 I'm thinking you're washing stuff and some kind of bleach mixture to sanitize.
00:43:16 --> 00:43:17 Is there a better way?
00:43:18 --> 00:43:20 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So there's, there's a lot of different
00:43:20 --> 00:43:22 disinfectants out there on the market.
00:43:24 --> 00:43:30 We use one that covers a broad spectrum of bacteria and viruses because we're taking
00:43:30 --> 00:43:32 that scanning crate from farm to farm.
00:43:32 --> 00:43:33 We disinfect it every time.
00:43:34 --> 00:43:38 But the key part to remember is that is that most disinfectants
00:43:38 --> 00:43:40 do not do well in organic matter.
00:43:40 --> 00:43:43 So, manure, hair, dirt.
00:43:44 --> 00:43:48 And so we need to, we need to wash everything, get all
00:43:48 --> 00:43:49 the debris off, and then
00:43:50 --> 00:43:50 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:43:51 --> 00:43:52 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And that's what a lot of people
00:43:52 --> 00:43:55 forget, they'll just be like, Oh, okay, well we just spray this
00:43:55 --> 00:43:56 disinfectant on and it works.
00:43:57 --> 00:44:01 But the manure will actually render that disinfectant ineffective.
00:44:02 --> 00:44:06 , It's always important to wash everything first and then disinfect.
00:44:07 --> 00:44:07 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: oh yeah.
00:44:08 --> 00:44:12 Well, that, that washing would be our first step that that we haven't done, so.
00:44:14 --> 00:44:16 As I think about that, that's quite an undertaking that I
00:44:16 --> 00:44:17 don't look forward to, but.
00:44:18 --> 00:44:21 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: It can be, but like we've got a little,
00:44:21 --> 00:44:23 I've got a Harbor Freight spray pump.
00:44:23 --> 00:44:23 I love
00:44:23 --> 00:44:24 Harbor Freight.
00:44:24 --> 00:44:27 Sam's laughing because He sent me to Harbor Freight this morning.
00:44:27 --> 00:44:27 Yeah,
00:44:27 --> 00:44:28 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes!
00:44:28 --> 00:44:29 Yeah.
00:44:29 --> 00:44:31 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: But it's a little battery powered spray pump,
00:44:31 --> 00:44:38 and so after we leave a farm, I pull into a car wash, we wash everything out, and
00:44:38 --> 00:44:42 then I take that pump and spray down the whole scanning crate, spray the tires.
00:44:43 --> 00:44:45 And then I go sit in the truck for 10 minutes and let it sit.
00:44:46 --> 00:44:48 And then I come back out and rinse everything off and
00:44:48 --> 00:44:49 we're on to the next place.
00:44:49 --> 00:44:51 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, interesting.
00:44:51 --> 00:44:51 Yeah.
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55 And Wyatt, I never send my wife to Harbor, Harbor Freight
00:44:55 --> 00:44:56 because I want to go in there.
00:44:56 --> 00:44:57 She will not buy enough.
00:44:58 --> 00:45:01 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Well, I, I usually try to not take Sam.
00:45:01 --> 00:45:02 Yeah, it was stressful.
00:45:02 --> 00:45:03 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: yeah.
00:45:04 --> 00:45:06 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Well, and if I go in there with Sam,
00:45:06 --> 00:45:07 she's like, okay, what's on your list?
00:45:07 --> 00:45:08 And I'm like, I don't know.
00:45:09 --> 00:45:09 I make
00:45:09 --> 00:45:10 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:45:10 --> 00:45:11 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I walk her to the alleys.
00:45:12 --> 00:45:12 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Well.
00:45:14 --> 00:45:18 You know, to be honest, I cannot stand going in a grocery store.
00:45:18 --> 00:45:22 And my wife and I approach a grocery store differently.
00:45:23 --> 00:45:28 She's going to check each aisle to see what's available, and I'm going to
00:45:28 --> 00:45:29 work from a list and get out of there.
00:45:30 --> 00:45:31 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: You're like hungry.
00:45:31 --> 00:45:35 Yeah, and you're
00:45:35 --> 00:45:38 like, oh, I want, I need this and
00:45:38 --> 00:45:38 this.
00:45:38 --> 00:45:41 I sort of do a Walmart pickup a lot.
00:45:41 --> 00:45:41 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, I love
00:45:42 --> 00:45:42 Walmart
00:45:42 --> 00:45:43 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: on track a lot more.
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, I love Walmart pickup.
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49 Getting back biosecurity.
00:45:49 --> 00:45:54 Is there anything we should worry aboutfrom species to species?
00:45:56 --> 00:45:59 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, there's diseases that cross over.
00:45:59 --> 00:46:03 But if you're not changing those, if you're not changing the animals on your
00:46:03 --> 00:46:07 operation, there's not a ton of things that you really have to worry about.
00:46:07 --> 00:46:08 Does that make sense?
00:46:09 --> 00:46:09 As long as you're not
00:46:09 --> 00:46:10 rotating all the time.
00:46:10 --> 00:46:13 Rotating is in like, buying and selling is what I mean
00:46:13 --> 00:46:14 by that.
00:46:14 --> 00:46:15 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: right.
00:46:15 --> 00:46:19 So for, for my flerd most time they're operating separate,
00:46:19 --> 00:46:20 but sometimes they're together.
00:46:20 --> 00:46:23 Basically, they've already infected each other if they're going to infect
00:46:23 --> 00:46:25 each other because they've been together
00:46:26 --> 00:46:26 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:46:27 --> 00:46:32 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Now, I know for a lot of dairies goats as well
00:46:32 --> 00:46:35 as cattle, johnes is a big thing.
00:46:35 --> 00:46:38 That's not, to us, has not been traditionally a
00:46:38 --> 00:46:40 problem with our beef cattle.
00:46:40 --> 00:46:42 Is that something we should be concerned about?
00:46:43 --> 00:46:46 Should we want animals tested for that before we bring them in?
00:46:47 --> 00:46:49 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So that's a great one because
00:46:49 --> 00:46:52 there's no, there's no program.
00:46:52 --> 00:46:55 Like we've got a brucellosis program, a pseudo rabies program.
00:46:56 --> 00:46:59 There's no governmental program that tells us this is what we need to do.
00:46:59 --> 00:47:04 Which would be helpful in some instances because we would actually test more often.
00:47:04 --> 00:47:08 And so certain producers we see it a lot in seed stock
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10 producers that check for Johnes
00:47:10 --> 00:47:10 yeah.
00:47:11 --> 00:47:13 because those are high value animals.
00:47:13 --> 00:47:16 For most people they don't test for it because it's one of those
00:47:16 --> 00:47:20 diseases that it's going to affect your older animals, which is going
00:47:20 --> 00:47:21 to make them less productive.
00:47:21 --> 00:47:23 And so usually they just cull.
00:47:23 --> 00:47:24 I mean, that's the,
00:47:24 --> 00:47:25 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:47:26 --> 00:47:29 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: and I see a lot of at Joplin, I see a lot of
00:47:29 --> 00:47:32 cows that I'm like, you could have Johnes
00:47:33 --> 00:47:33 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh
00:47:33 --> 00:47:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: on the clinical signs.
00:47:35 --> 00:47:38 But it's something that if we're not testing for, we don't know.
00:47:38 --> 00:47:39 And so the testing's not.
00:47:41 --> 00:47:43 Nobody does it a ton besides those select operations
00:47:44 --> 00:47:46 because they want to keep that out.
00:47:46 --> 00:47:47 But it is a concern.
00:47:48 --> 00:47:50 And, you know, we talked about Australia.
00:47:50 --> 00:47:53 Over there, Johnes is a big disease and they actually
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55 vaccinate for it in some areas.
00:47:55 --> 00:47:59 So, they've got areas that are clean and areas that are vaccinated,
00:47:59 --> 00:48:00 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh okay.
00:48:00 --> 00:48:03 Kind of like brucellosis used to be more so.
00:48:05 --> 00:48:07 I know that's changed a little bit, but Yeah.
00:48:07 --> 00:48:09 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: but yeah, same, same idea there.
00:48:09 --> 00:48:10 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:48:10 --> 00:48:17 When we think about respiratory diseases, is, is a 30 day isolation good enough
00:48:17 --> 00:48:21 or quarantine good enough or should we be doing something different there?
00:48:22 --> 00:48:23 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Sam may have a different opinion than me
00:48:23 --> 00:48:30 on this, because her, her level of knowledge on the respiratory system.
00:48:30 --> 00:48:32 In vet school, we covered about this deep.
00:48:33 --> 00:48:34 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:48:34 --> 00:48:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: he's gone all the way, my
00:48:35 --> 00:48:36 hands are way down here.
00:48:37 --> 00:48:37 I can't
00:48:37 --> 00:48:37 even go.
00:48:38 --> 00:48:40 But I think 30 days is enough because.
00:48:41 --> 00:48:43 When we take it to a feedlot perspective, when they bring in
00:48:43 --> 00:48:46 new cattle we look at BRD cases.
00:48:46 --> 00:48:52 Most of those cases of BRD happen in your first two to three weeks, so 14 21
00:48:52 --> 00:48:54 we see most of those BRD cases happen.
00:48:54 --> 00:49:00 There's some nuances to that, but most of them we see in the first two weeks.
00:49:00 --> 00:49:01 Mm
00:49:02 --> 00:49:06 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: And let's shift gears just a little bit, and And
00:49:06 --> 00:49:08 talk about bringing breeding stock in.
00:49:09 --> 00:49:13 Because most people, for most farms, the main new animals we're gonna
00:49:13 --> 00:49:15 bring in are new breeding males.
00:49:15 --> 00:49:15 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: hmm.
00:49:17 --> 00:49:21 Yeah, so with the males I always try to advocate to get a breeding soundness
00:49:21 --> 00:49:25 exam done to make sure he's indeed fertile before you turn him out.
00:49:25 --> 00:49:28 Cause we have seen issues with that, like we had one flock we
00:49:28 --> 00:49:32 scammed 600 ewes, 5 percent bred.
00:49:33 --> 00:49:33 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, wow.
00:49:34 --> 00:49:35 That would hurt.
00:49:35 --> 00:49:36 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: that's a bad day.
00:49:36 --> 00:49:36 Yeah, it
00:49:36 --> 00:49:37 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, that is.
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So we had a lot of conversations, but we
00:49:41 --> 00:49:42 were looking in the rear view mirror.
00:49:42 --> 00:49:43 You know, we were already
00:49:43 --> 00:49:47 past all the stages of intervention we could have done beforehand.
00:49:48 --> 00:49:53 And so, making sure those, those new guys have a semen eval done.
00:49:53 --> 00:49:55 Over in Australia they taught me to look at the four Ts.
00:49:56 --> 00:50:02 So we look at Teeth, testicles, toes, and tackle, which is penis
00:50:02 --> 00:50:03 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, okay.
00:50:04 --> 00:50:06 Because I was struggling with the fourth T there, but
00:50:06 --> 00:50:08 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:08 --> 00:50:11 That's, I don't, I guess that's their word for it, but I was like, okay, tackle it.
00:50:11 --> 00:50:12 Is, I, I like it.
00:50:12 --> 00:50:13 Couldn't have
00:50:13 --> 00:50:14 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Tackle, yeah.
00:50:15 --> 00:50:19 Well, now when I go fishing, I no longer have a tackle box.
00:50:19 --> 00:50:20 I'm just changing that now.
00:50:20 --> 00:50:21 It's gonna have a new name.
00:50:22 --> 00:50:23 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:50:23 --> 00:50:29 But we wanna look at teeth like, you know, unless you're buying ram lambs or, bulls
00:50:29 --> 00:50:31 that are 18 months or something like that.
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33 If you're buying something that's got a little age to it, you want
00:50:33 --> 00:50:37 to be sure those teeth are actually still there because they can be a
00:50:37 --> 00:50:37 broken mouth.
00:50:37 --> 00:50:41 They can chip off teeth because they have to be out grazing.
00:50:43 --> 00:50:45 So broken mouth sheep, you know, he's got some age to him.
00:50:45 --> 00:50:48 He's gonna have a harder time keeping in good condition when
00:50:48 --> 00:50:50 he's breeding ewes if he's having to work a little harder to eat.
00:50:51 --> 00:50:53 Toes, we want to make sure those toes are nice and short.
00:50:54 --> 00:50:55 We don't have long toes.
00:50:55 --> 00:50:57 I don't like trimmed feet.
00:50:57 --> 00:50:59 So, we try to call for that on our ewe flock
00:50:59 --> 00:51:00 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I agree.
00:51:01 --> 00:51:03 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: but that is an issue, is that, you know,
00:51:03 --> 00:51:07 you want to make sure to at least look at them, and make sure that they're not
00:51:07 --> 00:51:13 long, overgrown, curled, something like that, and then, and then on the testicles,
00:51:13 --> 00:51:17 make sure, like as a veterinarian, we palpate them, make sure they feel like
00:51:17 --> 00:51:23 they should, because especially with sheep, you can have ovine brucellosis, and
00:51:23 --> 00:51:26 that actually causes a lot of infertility in your buck rant, in your bucks,
00:51:27 --> 00:51:29 Which means that ewes don't get bread.
00:51:30 --> 00:51:31 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:51:32 --> 00:51:36 When you think about your, your breeding it soundness exam, we're
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38 really bad about not always doing that.
00:51:38 --> 00:51:41 We do it sometimes, we think we should do it.
00:51:41 --> 00:51:45 I'll be honest, I just turned out six rams, and I didn't
00:51:45 --> 00:51:46 get it done on any of them.
00:51:47 --> 00:51:52 But I tell myself I'm going to be okay if I have a dud in there
00:51:52 --> 00:51:54 because I turned out multiple rams.
00:51:54 --> 00:51:57 Is that going to solve some of that issue?
00:51:58 --> 00:52:00 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So there's yes and no.
00:52:00 --> 00:52:01 So it can,
00:52:02 --> 00:52:02 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:52:02 --> 00:52:05 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: but the other thing that comes into effect is you
00:52:05 --> 00:52:10 can have the dominant bull, the dominant ram effect, where if your dominant one
00:52:10 --> 00:52:14 is infertile, he's still not gonna give everybody else the chance to breed.
00:52:15 --> 00:52:15 And so
00:52:15 --> 00:52:19 some research out of Australia and New Zealand, the New Zealand group
00:52:19 --> 00:52:23 they did some, they did DNA testing after the fact in multi sired groups
00:52:23 --> 00:52:29 and showed that one buck bred like 60 80 percent of the lamb crop.
00:52:30 --> 00:52:34 So you gotta think about, so if he does that, but he's infertile, All
00:52:34 --> 00:52:38 those ewes are taking more time to either cycle and get bred, or
00:52:38 --> 00:52:40 they never get bred in the breeding season.
00:52:40 --> 00:52:44 And so there's, yes, it can work, and no, it can also work.
00:52:44 --> 00:52:46 Like, there's good and bads to
00:52:46 --> 00:52:48 throwing out multiple ones and not own.
00:52:48 --> 00:52:50 Cause, cause in the past, we've done it too.
00:52:50 --> 00:52:53 You know, and just said, fingers crossed, I hope they're fertile.
00:52:55 --> 00:52:56 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: And I'll be honest, just a couple
00:52:56 --> 00:53:00 years ago I had a terrible breed back percentage with my cattle.
00:53:00 --> 00:53:06 Now I feel it was my mineral program at the time, but yeah, that really hurt
00:53:06 --> 00:53:08 when I did the pregnancy test on them.
00:53:09 --> 00:53:09 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:53:10 --> 00:53:14 And the, and that's another reason I pitch for pregnancy scanning and, and
00:53:14 --> 00:53:17 preg checking your cows, is because if you don't do it, you know, you kept that
00:53:17 --> 00:53:19 cow for nine months without knowing.
00:53:19 --> 00:53:19 Right.
00:53:19 --> 00:53:22 You know, a sheep, thank goodness we just got to wait five months.
00:53:22 --> 00:53:27 But yeah, if you keep them that long, you're waiting for
00:53:27 --> 00:53:28 something that never arrives.
00:53:28 --> 00:53:30 And so if you know ahead of time, you can make plans.
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: And to chase that just a little bit more, and I know
00:53:33 --> 00:53:38 we're moving off of biosecurity just a little bit with this question, but we
00:53:38 --> 00:53:43 do blood tests, the BioPryn and, I say that, I've also done some of the instant
00:53:43 --> 00:53:46 tests, which are 15 to 30 minutes.
00:53:46 --> 00:53:48 I did a handful of those just to try them and see how it went.
00:53:49 --> 00:53:49 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:53:49 --> 00:53:49 So
00:53:50 --> 00:53:54 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: That versus palpation versus ultrasound.
00:53:54 --> 00:53:57 Is there going to be a big difference in the results?
00:53:58 --> 00:53:59 What's your thoughts on those?
00:54:00 --> 00:54:01 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: on the blood test with the
00:54:01 --> 00:54:03 BioPryn I don't know anything.
00:54:03 --> 00:54:06 I haven't done any digging on the instant results as far as
00:54:06 --> 00:54:07 how accurate there's going to be.
00:54:08 --> 00:54:11 So the BioPryn that it's accurate.
00:54:11 --> 00:54:15 It's like 90 95 percent accurate, but there's caveats to it.
00:54:15 --> 00:54:17 So it tells you when bred.
00:54:18 --> 00:54:22 But if you have it, if you have something that slipped that pregnancy, the protein
00:54:22 --> 00:54:26 that they're looking for will still float around in there for another 60 days or so.
00:54:27 --> 00:54:31 So in all actuality, like if I had been scanning, she'd have been, I'd called her
00:54:31 --> 00:54:34 open, but the blood test called it bred.
00:54:35 --> 00:54:37 And so there's nuances like that.
00:54:37 --> 00:54:40 You also have to, if you're gonna do blood tests, you gotta have the
00:54:40 --> 00:54:42 ability to bring them back in if you're going to do anything with that data.
00:54:43 --> 00:54:45 And so You gotta bring them in,
00:54:45 --> 00:54:46 sort them again.
00:54:46 --> 00:54:50 Whereas pregnancy scanning, we know right there, open singles,
00:54:50 --> 00:54:51 twins, and they get a paint mark.
00:54:52 --> 00:54:56 And so, whether we sort them off the gates, off the front, or they do
00:54:56 --> 00:55:00 something with them later, they've at least got it known right there,
00:55:00 --> 00:55:01 they don't have to read ear tags.
00:55:02 --> 00:55:02 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah.
00:55:02 --> 00:55:03 Yeah.
00:55:03 --> 00:55:04 Yeah.
00:55:04 --> 00:55:05 Good, good points with that.
00:55:06 --> 00:55:08 I know, or I don't know.
00:55:08 --> 00:55:13 From what I recall reading about the Biopryn uh, it's 99 percent accurate
00:55:13 --> 00:55:18 if it calls them open, 95 percent accurate if it calls them bred
00:55:18 --> 00:55:20 because of like you, what you said.
00:55:20 --> 00:55:20 Yeah.
00:55:20 --> 00:55:22 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, yeah, there's some,
00:55:22 --> 00:55:23 there's some challenges to each.
00:55:24 --> 00:55:25 And like, something
00:55:25 --> 00:55:28 we've seen in a couple flocks is we've actually diagnosed some tumors.
00:55:29 --> 00:55:30 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
00:55:30 --> 00:55:30 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Sheep.
00:55:30 --> 00:55:32 And so they would have had no idea.
00:55:32 --> 00:55:35 So I asked him, I said, Hey, what's, what's the history on this ewe?
00:55:35 --> 00:55:39 And it was like, Well, she actually hasn't marked any in like two months
00:55:39 --> 00:55:42 and I'm like, well, it's because she's got a tumor we need to talk about.
00:55:43 --> 00:55:45 And so something like that, you know, a BioPryn blood test would
00:55:45 --> 00:55:47 have never picked it up and we didn't
00:55:47 --> 00:55:47 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:55:48 --> 00:55:48 Yeah.
00:55:49 --> 00:55:51 Now, you mentioned marking there.
00:55:51 --> 00:55:53 Do you all use marking with y'all's rams?
00:55:53 --> 00:55:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: no, we don't.
00:55:55 --> 00:55:59 Just because it's been so hard, but it would be hard to keep up with those
00:55:59 --> 00:56:02 guys and we, we run multi sire paddocks.
00:56:02 --> 00:56:02 So that's what
00:56:02 --> 00:56:03 we turn out several.
00:56:04 --> 00:56:04 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:56:04 --> 00:56:06 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And so it'd be hard to keep track
00:56:06 --> 00:56:09 of those crayons and catch them.
00:56:09 --> 00:56:10 We just don't do it.
00:56:10 --> 00:56:11 Labor gets in the way of that one.
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Well, I'm, I'm an efficient farmer, so I don't.
00:56:15 --> 00:56:18 And you know, efficiency is just laziness with good PR.
00:56:19 --> 00:56:21 I'm really a lazy farmer, and that sounds like more work to me.
00:56:22 --> 00:56:22 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:56:22 --> 00:56:23 it can be.
00:56:23 --> 00:56:23 Yeah.
00:56:24 --> 00:56:27 So, it's really beneficial in like our club lamb producers when
00:56:27 --> 00:56:28 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
00:56:28 --> 00:56:30 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, because they're putting them in jugs
00:56:30 --> 00:56:33 for guys like us that are pasture lambing.
00:56:34 --> 00:56:36 I just kind of chalk that up as information.
00:56:36 --> 00:56:38 We're not going to really need like data.
00:56:38 --> 00:56:39 We're not going to use because.
00:56:40 --> 00:56:43 Like, we'll still preg scan them, and know whether it actually worked or not.
00:56:44 --> 00:56:47 So, having a mark date isn't really going to help us, or isn't
00:56:47 --> 00:56:48 going to allow us to do much.
00:56:49 --> 00:56:49 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right, yeah.
00:56:50 --> 00:56:51 Not gonna change your management much.
00:56:52 --> 00:56:56 You know, to be honest, we got a scales in our cattle chute, and we cannot run an
00:56:56 --> 00:56:59 animal across that without weighing them.
00:56:59 --> 00:57:03 And I tell Dad, sometimes we don't have to weigh them, we just gotta weigh the other
00:57:03 --> 00:57:04 day and we're not doing anything with it.
00:57:04 --> 00:57:08 But, you know, we went so long without one, we just weigh everything.
00:57:09 --> 00:57:09 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:57:09 --> 00:57:12 Well, I'm always curious when they run across our sheep handler.
00:57:13 --> 00:57:15 You know, sometimes I just want to know when they come
00:57:15 --> 00:57:15 across.
00:57:16 --> 00:57:20 I think it's 140 pounds when they come across.
00:57:20 --> 00:57:21 Oh, it's actually 150.
00:57:21 --> 00:57:21 Okay.
00:57:21 --> 00:57:23 And you kind of, kind of adjust.
00:57:24 --> 00:57:24 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: yeah.
00:57:26 --> 00:57:26 Yeah.
00:57:27 --> 00:57:30 We, we do not have scales in our sheep alley, so that would be really nice.
00:57:30 --> 00:57:34 Of course, our sheep alley is not really made to isolate one by one.
00:57:34 --> 00:57:39 You know, it's, it's a alley that I get them in the 16 foot where
00:57:39 --> 00:57:40 I can do something with them.
00:57:40 --> 00:57:41 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: yeah, yeah.
00:57:43 --> 00:57:46 And, and it works really well, and it's good to have a, at least a
00:57:46 --> 00:57:48 reference weight, at least an idea.
00:57:48 --> 00:57:48 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
00:57:48 --> 00:57:50 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: talk about deworming, you know, it's
00:57:50 --> 00:57:52 good, you don't want to underdose, you don't want to overdose.
00:57:52 --> 00:57:53 You want to be
00:57:54 --> 00:57:55 pretty accurate.
00:57:57 --> 00:57:59 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I know we got off the subject of biosecurity.
00:57:59 --> 00:58:04 I just want to swing back to it and ask, is there anything we didn't
00:58:04 --> 00:58:05 discuss about biosecurity we should?
00:58:06 --> 00:58:07 Should have brought up.
00:58:07 --> 00:58:10 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So one thing I had written down you
00:58:10 --> 00:58:14 know, we kind of hit on some loading facilities and the quarantine isolation
00:58:14 --> 00:58:16 is even in your own operation.
00:58:16 --> 00:58:20 It's good to keep in mind the order that which you see your livestock.
00:58:20 --> 00:58:24 So you want to start with like your youngest youngest and healthiest
00:58:24 --> 00:58:28 stock and then move backwards to your older and then eventually sick stock.
00:58:29 --> 00:58:32 So if you've got bottle lamps, you want to go check on them first.
00:58:33 --> 00:58:37 If, then you want to check on, use, whatever, or then the
00:58:37 --> 00:58:38 box or something like that.
00:58:38 --> 00:58:41 And then lastly is your new introductions or your sick pen.
00:58:41 --> 00:58:45 Because we don't want to go backwards from that and drag everything from the
00:58:45 --> 00:58:47 SIsick pen back into everything else.
00:58:48 --> 00:58:52 Because, You're probably like me, you don't spray off your boots
00:58:52 --> 00:58:55 and disinfect on your own place from pen to pen like it's just
00:58:55 --> 00:58:57 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: No, I don't.
00:58:57 --> 00:58:57 Yeah,
00:58:57 --> 00:58:59 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: But if we keep in the back of our
00:58:59 --> 00:59:03 mind, Hey, let's check on that sick pin last, because that'll be the last
00:59:03 --> 00:59:06 thing we do for the day before we go inside, the odds of bringing something
00:59:06 --> 00:59:08 back out of there are pretty slim.
00:59:10 --> 00:59:12 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: I've I've heard that before and I think
00:59:12 --> 00:59:15 that's a great reminder and to be honest in practice I never do it.
00:59:16 --> 00:59:20 So that's something I just I need to start thinking more about And to be
00:59:20 --> 00:59:22 honest, we don't often have a sick pen.
00:59:22 --> 00:59:27 So it's not really A big thing I think for most farms, but whenever
00:59:27 --> 00:59:30 you do it's important to remember that but going from young stock and
00:59:30 --> 00:59:32 work up in age makes a lot of sense
00:59:33 --> 00:59:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, and it's something like, like that.
00:59:35 --> 00:59:38 You know, most operations, they don't have a giant sick pen
00:59:38 --> 00:59:39 like a feed yard would because
00:59:40 --> 00:59:41 I'm dealing with that every day.
00:59:41 --> 00:59:42 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:59:43 --> 00:59:44 And if we do, we've got other problems.
00:59:44 --> 00:59:45 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:59:47 --> 00:59:47 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
00:59:49 --> 00:59:52 Well, Wyatt and Sam, it is time for our famous four questions.
00:59:53 --> 00:59:55 Same four questions we ask of all of our guests.
00:59:56 --> 00:59:58 And we're going to make both of you answer them.
00:59:58 --> 00:59:59 So get ready.
00:59:59 --> 01:00:04 So Wyatt if you need to steal some of Sam's answers, go ahead.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:09 Our first question, what is your favorite grazing grass related book or resource?
01:00:11 --> 01:00:14 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So mine is Thoughts and Advice
01:00:14 --> 01:00:15 from an Old Cattleman by Gordon
01:00:15 --> 01:00:15 Hazard
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:19 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So that book you know, talked a lot about
01:00:19 --> 01:00:24 how he ran his stock operation and he was pretty low input and he talks
01:00:24 --> 01:00:28 about, there's one line in there and I'm going to probably going to butcher
01:00:28 --> 01:00:31 it, but he talks about the difference between being cheap and being tight.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:34 He said, most people think I'm cheap, but really I'm tight.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:40 And his example was if he had two hammers and he needed some cash,
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42 he'd sell one hammer and go on.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:45 But anytime he looked at adding something, you know, he wanted to make
01:00:45 --> 01:00:47 sure to return value, which is what we
01:00:47 --> 01:00:47 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:51 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And he said, you know, if I can
01:00:51 --> 01:00:54 spend a dollar and make two dollars, I'm going to spend that dollar.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:57 And that was his example of being tight versus being cheap is he
01:00:57 --> 01:01:00 held onto it unless he knew it was going to make him an ROI.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:02 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:03 Excellent advice.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:04 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: going to steal Wyatt's answer because
01:01:04 --> 01:01:06 I don't read a lot of books like that.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:11 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: you're for For the papers you're reading, I
01:01:11 --> 01:01:13 don't know if a lot of our audience is going to be reading them.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 I'm probably not going to be reading them.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:17 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, so I can tell you about my favorite
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19 paper, but it's not very applicable.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, we'll, we'll go with that.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:28 Our second question, what is your favorite tool for the farm?
01:01:29 --> 01:01:31 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So I had several that came to mind
01:01:31 --> 01:01:35 whether it's the Te Pari, the sheep handler, makes it more efficient.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:40 We, we imported an auto feeder that actually allows us to feed
01:01:40 --> 01:01:41 lot of those lambs a little bit.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:47 It reduces acidosis and it just keeps it feed in front of them, which is what we
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 needed because I've got written down here.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:52 If it's hard to do, you're not going to do it for very long.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, exactly right.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: You're probably thinking of
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 some times where you did that.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:59 And if you're, if you're having to drag feed buckets out to a feeder pen
01:01:59 --> 01:02:02 every day, it's probably not going to want to feed lambs very long.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:07 And those would be my two favorite tools would be those things because it allows
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10 us to be very efficient when we're,
01:02:11 --> 01:02:16 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: With the auto feeder, what type of auto feeder is it?
01:02:16 --> 01:02:17 Is it, does it have an auger?
01:02:17 --> 01:02:22 Is it one of these self feeders that's supposed to limit their intake?
01:02:23 --> 01:02:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: so it has an auger in it.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:25 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, okay.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:26 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: It's a, it's a Feedtech
01:02:26 --> 01:02:28 auto feeder that we imported
01:02:28 --> 01:02:32 from Australia and so it augers down a line and ours is about
01:02:32 --> 01:02:36 40 foot long so we can, we got basically 80 foot of feeder space.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:41 And so you can, you can set it up to where a, where there's a sensor
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44 and if that proximity sensor has feed in front of it, it won't run.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:46 But when they eat away the feed, it'll kick on again.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:49 So if we're doing an ad lib feed loss system works well for that,
01:02:49 --> 01:02:51 keeping fresh feed in there
01:02:51 --> 01:02:51 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:53 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: because with self feeders, they can
01:02:53 --> 01:02:56 kind of do some sorting and you end up with just old feed in the bottom.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:59 Or you can do it at a limit feed where, you know, how much it's going
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01 to auger out when it runs until it
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 gets full.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:05 So you can have it kick on twice a day or three times a day.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:06 And
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08 so it, it's pretty flexible.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09 And I like that part.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:11 It's very flexible and modular too.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:14 If we want to add onto it, we just extend it a little bit.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:15 On we go.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:21 But with that 40 foot unit, we could feed a lot 960 lambs or something is
01:03:21 --> 01:03:22 what we figured up on the headspace
01:03:23 --> 01:03:23 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yes.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: and we're not there
01:03:26 --> 01:03:26 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: yeah.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:27 Yeah.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:29 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: But you know, we don't have
01:03:29 --> 01:03:31 to keep adding things to it
01:03:32 --> 01:03:32 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:34 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: the that's what I felt was key in
01:03:34 --> 01:03:39 certain times is sometimes in order to get to that next step You just
01:03:39 --> 01:03:41 got to get the equipment to do it
01:03:41 --> 01:03:44 and then you'll figure out how to get there rather than getting there and be
01:03:44 --> 01:03:47 like You I'm so tired of working 23 hours
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 a day feeding lambs.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:54 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Well, you know, we talk about the work life balance,
01:03:54 --> 01:04:00 not that it's a balance, but you've got to have of a balance there, even
01:04:00 --> 01:04:01 with the ebb and flow of everything.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:03 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:04 Sam's looking at me cause
01:04:04 --> 01:04:07 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh,
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I, well, yeah, we had a yearling special
01:04:10 --> 01:04:15 on Monday and then special cow sale and regular cow sale on Wednesday.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:16 We sold a thousand.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:21 The cow sale on Thursday had 2000 head and back and forth.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:23 I put in 80 hours this week.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:24 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: oh yeah,
01:04:24 --> 01:04:25 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: No, by Thursday.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:26 By Thursday night.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:32 Yeah.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:34 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: you're younger, you can handle it, I cannot.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:38 Sam, what's your favorite tool, and I know you're not going to say Wyatt,
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 because he's already talked about the lawn chair he uses on the farm.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:45 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I really like the sheep handler because
01:04:45 --> 01:04:49 before anytime we worked everything which I still do catch the little ones
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50 because they're too small to go through.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:52 But I, it was me catching everything.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:55 Because most of the time it was Occasionally we would have a
01:04:55 --> 01:04:58 few extra people when we worked, but it would, like, there's been
01:04:58 --> 01:04:59 times that it was just us two.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02 And that can get exhausting.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah, it
01:05:04 --> 01:05:08 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I, I I should, I should say that it's not
01:05:08 --> 01:05:09 my idea to have Sam catch everything.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:13 I don't, I, I don't like to do anything else but catch.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:14 She
01:05:14 --> 01:05:14 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, okay
01:05:15 --> 01:05:17 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: needles that, when we're vaccinating and stuff
01:05:17 --> 01:05:19 like that, she's like, I'll just catch.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:23 And usually about halfway through, I'm like, you really, I can trade you.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:26 And she's like, nope, I'm not, not injecting them or not doing anything.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:27 That's your job.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:28 Okay.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 I didn't go to that school or anything.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:35 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: okay, okay she chose that
01:05:35 --> 01:05:35 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:36 I'm like, okay.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:38 As long as you know that you've made that decision.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:41 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Right, yeah, yeah now everybody driving by
01:05:41 --> 01:05:44 is gonna think I'm a lazy person out
01:05:44 --> 01:05:44 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah,
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: making my wife do all this Yeah.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:48 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: that I mean, but yeah, the sheep handler, when
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52 it, it catches them pneumatically and it can run them automatically, actually
01:05:52 --> 01:05:54 with the, with the sensors has got on it.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:56 It makes it really easy to
01:05:56 --> 01:05:56 work stuff now.
01:05:57 --> 01:06:01 We also use it so my parents have, I don't know, a lot of Spanish goats.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:01 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah
01:06:02 --> 01:06:03 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: it there also.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:05 And it makes it a lot easier.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:08 Yeah, cause deworming the goats.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09 Cause they're even worse than the sheep, I think.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:11 Cause they know how to use their horns.
01:06:11 --> 01:06:12 Yeah,
01:06:12 --> 01:06:16 and a goat will use its body weight and throw you around.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:18 And so by the end of the day, your wrists hurt and everything.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:21 And the first time we took it down there, I said, Patrick.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:24 I don't know if it's gonna work or not on these goats like it's built for sheep.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:28 We're gonna try it and you guys castrate kids.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:32 I'll work the doe the doe goats off and we'll see what happens.
01:06:33 --> 01:06:36 Well, so usually we castrate kids and then work those I had
01:06:36 --> 01:06:40 finished the doughs me and another guy and we didn't break a sweat
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 and they were still over there castrating kids and afterwards
01:06:44 --> 01:06:47 Patrick goes Hey, you're gonna bring it back every time we got to work,
01:06:47 --> 01:06:48 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, yeah.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:49 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: And I was like, yeah, I will.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:50 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:51 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So I
01:06:51 --> 01:06:57 knew then that from somebody who had, did not want it, did not want it down
01:06:57 --> 01:06:58 there, that it must work real well.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:00 He was
01:07:00 --> 01:07:00 all for it.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:02 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:04 He wanted to run it next time.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:08 We did, we did let him this year and they
01:07:08 --> 01:07:08 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Oh, okay.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:09 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: awesome.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:10 I'm like, I know.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:14 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, I've, I've seen YouTube videos.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:18 I think a sheep farmer in UK has one that he uses.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:21 I can't think of the name, but I was like, oh, that's amazing.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:24 Or it appears amazing to me.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:24 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah,
01:07:24 --> 01:07:28 it's, it's really awesome and I need to be better about taking videos and
01:07:29 --> 01:07:34 recording everything but the problem I get is I get so busy working everything
01:07:34 --> 01:07:38 that I'm like, oh crap, I really should have stopped and reported all this.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:38 So,
01:07:39 --> 01:07:39 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:44 Our third question, what would you tell someone just getting started?
01:07:45 --> 01:07:48 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So my advice is, and I think you've
01:07:48 --> 01:07:51 had this same, I think people have said it's a common theme
01:07:51 --> 01:07:52 is you got to start somewhere.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:55 If that's what you want to do, you got to get started somewhere,
01:07:55 --> 01:07:57 whether it's 10 acres or 100 acres.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:02 But also, when you're doing this, if you know that you want to be
01:08:02 --> 01:08:06 at 100 head or 500 head build your facilities with that in mind.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:07 Because,
01:08:07 --> 01:08:11 you know, we've got 20 head, the facilities for that place look a lot
01:08:11 --> 01:08:13 different than facilities for 200 head.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:19 And so if you know that you want to get there in 5 years, try, if you can afford
01:08:19 --> 01:08:20 it, build those facilities to be there.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:24 Run that amount of livestock so you're not having to change them every so often
01:08:24 --> 01:08:27 like you know every year or two When you've got way more stock
01:08:28 --> 01:08:32 because that's the biggest thing that we've tried to do is we did that We kind
01:08:32 --> 01:08:35 of built for what we had and then we had some more cash so we built a little
01:08:35 --> 01:08:40 bit more and it's like well piece of advice if you got the opportunity to
01:08:40 --> 01:08:44 try to build for what you're going to instead of build for what you've got
01:08:45 --> 01:08:47 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, I think that's excellent advice.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:48 Yeah.
01:08:48 --> 01:08:50 And Sam, what would you tell someone just getting started?
01:08:51 --> 01:08:54 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: I think both in terms of like a grazing
01:08:54 --> 01:08:58 operation or like a career, whether it's veterinary medicine or grad school or
01:08:58 --> 01:09:03 whatever, is never be afraid or ashamed to admit when you don't know something
01:09:03 --> 01:09:06 because no one knows everything.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:08 ever.
01:09:08 --> 01:09:08 Even the
01:09:08 --> 01:09:10 experts still don't know everything.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:13 And so being able to admit when you don't know something and ask
01:09:13 --> 01:09:16 questions is how you learn new things.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:20 And who knows, like maybe no one knows the answer to it and you can kind
01:09:20 --> 01:09:25 of find out something new to like through the research side of things.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:27 But yeah, I think it's always admit when you don't know something and
01:09:27 --> 01:09:31 never be afraid to ask questions, even if they seem like maybe like dumb
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33 to you, there's no stupid question.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:35 So that would maybe be my advice.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:38 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Excellent advice there.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:42 And if I didn't admit to what I didn't know, I wouldn't have much to
01:09:42 --> 01:09:42 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Yeah, exactly.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:46 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: lastly, where can others find out more about you?
01:09:47 --> 01:09:48 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: So you can find Paragon
01:09:48 --> 01:09:50 Ranch on Facebook, Instagram.
01:09:51 --> 01:09:54 We've got a website Catron Veterinary Services on Facebook,
01:09:54 --> 01:09:56 Instagram, and a website.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:58 So, or you can just go friend me on Facebook.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:00 I mean that Yeah.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:03 Yeah, I was gonna say if you go to my Facebook page.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:05 It's I've got everything linked, so
01:10:06 --> 01:10:07 cal_2_12-14-2024_140520: Very good.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:12 Wyatt and Sam, we really appreciate you all coming on today and sharing with us.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:14 wyatt-catron_1_12-14-2024_140520: Thank you for having us Cal
01:10:14 --> 01:10:15 it's been a great opportunity
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